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Dunes, Dust storms, Wet bulldust and Flash floods......

Submitted: Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 23:11

Willem

Did it all in the past two weeks.

Had a very successful Simpson sojourn.

Did an East/West start along the QAA LIne, French Line, Lower Colson Track, Rig Road, WAA Line, Knolls Track and then West/East back to Birdsville. The GQ ran impecably. Stopped at the bottom of each dune, selected 1st High and idled over the hills at 1800-2500 revs. Simpson tracks are pretty chopped out on both sides of the dunes mainly due to incorrect tyre pressure usage. I had the tyres at 15psi east/west and 18psi west/east and 15psi for Big Red. Still too much toilet paper to be seen...something will have to be done...also motorbikes are cutting up the dunes..another issue.

Got caught in a sand storm at Coongie Lakes and Innamincka. Had a four hour bog 10km north of Monte Collina bore in the wet bulldust on the Strzelecki. Got caught in a flash flood in the Flinders with some other EO Members and spent the night waiting for the creeks to subside.

My thanks go to Uncle who did the cooking and jokes. George and Maureen for their company all the way from Darwin, Ruth and Ian Doyle of the Birdsville CP for their hospitality and the best Cuppacino, Andrew and Jen(Big Kidz) and family, Rod and Jenny and family and Member Gerke for a memorable and wet night spent stranded in the Flinders, and to Stony and Gina Steiner for their their care and hospitality and to Clayton Station for providing that wonderful spa bath in the desert!!!

We all had a great two weeks out in the Never Never..............
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AnswerID: 78572   Submitted: Friday, Oct 01, 2004 at 23:26

Truckster (Vic) replied:

Good to see you home in 1 piece.. not that we ever doubted it .. you were in a nissan... a GQ Diesel at that... :)
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FollowupID: 338072   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 08:50

Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) posted:

And i bet that 'old fashioned' front beam axle helped, You know, i type lots of other 'so called' serious offroaders dont have any more because its not fashionable!!!!
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FollowupID: 338104   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 21:52

Willem posted:

Hello Truckster

Yep, I am pretty pleased with the peformance of the GQ although I had thought it a bit slow off the mark at first. The Cooper STT's performed well and are not too bnoisy i=on the bitumen. BTW you were right about the spare wheel bolts..they are smaller than the other wheel studs...wonder whose dumb idea that was?
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FollowupID: 338111   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 22:53

Truckster (Vic) posted:

One idea is to change the bolts on the sparewheel carrier for same as wheel studs, adn use the other nuts.

Best bet as I do is 4 spare nuts in the toolbox!

Thats some flagpole u got there Mr, or are you happy to c me
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AnswerID: 78579   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 06:25

Bros replied:

G'day Willem,
So you had a pretty normal sort of two weeks. Nothing out of the ordinary.
Cheers,
Bros.

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FollowupID: 338074   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 08:56

Willem posted:

G,day Bros

As my saying goes....Never a Dull Moment.!!! You never get too old to have fun!
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AnswerID: 78580   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 06:30

Member - JohnR (Vic) replied:

Wille,

Pleased you had a great time there, I knew it would be. It is pleasing to see you met up with so many EO members too on your trip around. Am pleased too the Ruby earned her stripes and had all you needed for the trip.

Hope that Judith is well too on your arrival home.
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FollowupID: 338076   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 09:04

Willem posted:

Thanks John

We are all fine but need a good rest :-)
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FollowupID: 338096   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 17:48

Member - JohnR (Vic) posted:

Willie,

What is it you got on the end of that wog pole? It looks to dwarf the Nissan but did it whip around much?
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FollowupID: 338108   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 22:07

Willem posted:

John

I have a small NT flag at the tip of the pole, a relic from the Canning trip 10 years ago. I had to strengthen the pole with insulation tape. No the pole didn't whip around too much probably due to the smooth riding suspension of the GQ and me pussyfooting it :-)))
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AnswerID: 78582   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 07:08

cokeaddict replied:

welcome Home Dad,
She looks a treat !
In 2 weeks you did what i wanted to do for years...I hate you :-)
I love it when you talk DIRTY !
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FollowupID: 338073   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 08:53

Willem posted:

G'day Son

WEll you had better do some planning and get to it!!! A great time in the desert was had by all. There is nothing like a successful trip :-0)
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FollowupID: 338075   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 09:03

cokeaddict posted:

Welcome back willem, it really sounds like something out of a movie. But i would have given anything to expierence it. Something to tell the grandkids about (when they eventuate that is). Hope someone took some pics.
Take care my friend
I love it when you talk DIRTY !
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AnswerID: 78584   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 07:23

GOB & denny vic member replied:

congratulations willem
i was on the hf on friday when they were saying you had your "haven " island named after you but that waters were recedeing
and all was well
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FollowupID: 338071   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 08:50

Willem posted:

Hi Steve
Our fellow EO friends had an experience of a lifetime in the space of a few hours. I did get as bit concerned when the water kept on rising and were were lucky to have pulled off the track as withing the next 100metres we would have been washed downstream by a swollen creek. We had closed on 50mm of rain in 40 minutes and my truck started floating down the track (creek) we were on when we pulled out of it. Nature has a way of showing us its might! It was a looooong night!
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AnswerID: 78585   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 07:31

Lone Wolf replied:

" My thanks go to Uncle who did the cooking ..... "

Can we borrow him?

Well, as I write this, Tracy is busily running around making last minute checks. We leave in 35 minutes.......... to Aroona Valley for 5 or so days.

Delica is loaded waaaaaaaay down............ and it's not all Tracy's alcohol either!!

Meeting another couple at Tarlee, then Northwards bound..........

So, now you've done all these trips of late, does that mean you now have to stay home and do........... stuff?

Did Judith manage to pay for SOME of your toys with her art sales? Hell man, after seeing your rig stuff, I reckon she'd have to be able to paint & sell the Mona Lisa to make a dent in your toy budget!! Can't blame you though, Wolfie has been on a bit of a spree lately, just wait till the kids have gone......... then I'll really start!!

Okay, Tracy beckons............ like it's the call of the wild........... or something............ no, hang on, if I DON'T go, it WILL get wild............ that's it...........

Okay, gotta go................ speak to ya all soon.

Cheers

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FollowupID: 338077   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 09:06

Willem posted:

Wolfie

I will pass the message on to Uncle...He loves to camp out...You never know...:-o)
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AnswerID: 78586   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 08:00

ben replied:

hey willem,
just checking what you ment by?
''also motorbikes are cutting up the dunes..another issue. ''
whats that mean.?
~you dont like or think motor bikes should be on the track, or what?
just curious.
im a dedicated 4wder , but think we should be sharing all of this beut land.
ben
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FollowupID: 338070   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 08:34

Willem posted:

Ben

No problem with motorbikes accesing the Simpson BUT, some bike riders have not been using the track........They are powering over the dunes next to the track making unsightly new scars on the dunes and cutting up what vegetation there is. This issue has to be controlled but how?

The same issue goes for people towing trailers across the Simpson. NPWS discourages this practise but travellers are ignoring it. The result being that the tow vehicle is pulling more weight, axle tramping up the dunes, and creating holes which makes it more uncomfortable for fellow travellers using the tracks.

I can see a time approaching when the Simpson crossings will be controlled on a vehicle quota per day basis.
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FollowupID: 338078   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 09:46

duncs posted:

Willem,

I think you hit the nail on hte head in your first comment about tyre pressures.

I towed a trailer across the Simpson and had no problems. The only place I spun a wheel was in the mud of a salt lake. Where the guty in fromt of me with a Cruiser no trailer and muddies also spun wheels all the way across.

When I was in WA heading out to steep point I met the ranger and was ready to pay my park access fee. He asked, "What tyre pressures you running?" "18psi I replied." "Then don't worry about the access fee, I only charge those who don't let their tyres down."

Trailer was not an issue but tyre pressures were.

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FollowupID: 338082   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 10:22

Willem posted:

Hi duncs...how is life in BH?

My opinion is that the the trailers are a contributing factor to the deterioration of the desert tracks as you may not be aware that you are actually spinning your wheels as the upward and downward pressures of the trailer weight on the rear springs of your vehicle creates the bounce effect and ALL vehicles bounce and create or assist in the deepening of the holes.

I caught up with a driver who had been running 30psi on 285's and this person refused to take responsibility for chewing the track up ahead of me. There is no way one can win with narrow minds.

CYA
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FollowupID: 338127   Submitted: Sunday, Oct 03, 2004 at 15:34

Member - JohnR (Vic) posted:

Ben,

Have to agree with Willem on the issue of the bikes. The vegetation on the dunes at much of the year is very fragile and the Simpson potentially mobile if it is freed from vegetation. It is unfortunate that bike riders think they are freed from environmental constraint and they do cut up the dunes and vegetation. I do further agree with Willem on the tyre pressures of some travellers are just as irresponsible.......
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FollowupID: 338178   Submitted: Sunday, Oct 03, 2004 at 23:19

duncs posted:

Hey Wiilem,

Life in the Hill remains good. Had a trip to Adelaide last week. Couldn't bring myself to drive that highway twice in 4 days so went down towards Wentworth then across to Renmark via the Springwood Rd. Not really 4wd but still more interesting than 5 hours of black top. Countryside is actually looking pretty good down that way at the moment. Drove home in the rain on Thursday. Spent a bit of time visiting friends in the big city so had to do a rush job on the trip home.

I'm off on Tuesday for a quick lap through White Cliffs, Wanaaring, Tibooburra and Milparinka so, if you camping in the Flinders brings rain, could you stay home till Friday, I don' want them closing roads on me.

Looked for a little while like I might be moving back to Sydney but that won't happen for a couple of years now. So we plan to get out and see as much as we can of this area while we live out this way. That should mean a few trips into the Flinders so I will be calling on your knowledge of the area fairly often. I hope. Maybe one day you will get to follow the trailer and see how gently I really do take it.

Sounds like the Simpson was fun and the new girl went well. I loved my GQ and in many ways I was sorry to see it go. I'm sure you will learn to love yours very quickly.

Duncs
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AnswerID: 78588   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 09:07

Al & Mrs Al (Vic) replied:

Hi Willie

glad you and uncle had a great trip and made it home safely, and glad you managed to catch up with Andrew, he phoned his maaaaaaaaaaaaa looking for you....lol....

cheers

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FollowupID: 338083   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 10:23

Willem posted:

Andrew needed his Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa the other night !..hahahahaha
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AnswerID: 78592   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 10:13

Mad Dog (Victoria) replied:

Welcome back Willem but why on earth would you want to visit those dirty dusty places for at your age when a visit to the Gold Coast can keep an old man young for years....just kiddin, I wish it was me out there.




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FollowupID: 338084   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 10:25

Willem posted:

C'mon Ray...what have you bought? Maybe a Ford Territory? Gold Coast...nah, been there, done that :-o)
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FollowupID: 338086   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 10:35

Mad Dog (Victoria) posted:

I can get the Territory at a massive discount of course but it aint me.
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AnswerID: 78596   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 11:02

Glenn (VIC) replied:

Hi Willem,

Great to hear you had such a memorable journey. By the sounds of it, this trip has to end up on your website. I am seriously jealous of Uncle and yourself, especially catching up with all the other people.

Take care and hopefully I will see you again soon.

Cheers
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FollowupID: 338106   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 21:55

Willem posted:

Hi Glenn

I hope to update my website within the next xouple of months as there are quite few new pages to be added. It is good to have had a successful trip with no major problems.
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AnswerID: 78635   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 21:43

Member - Bernie. (Vic) replied:

Hi Willem good to see you are back safe & sound after what sounds like an eventfull trip.
Thought of you the other day as I read or heard you were in the Flinders,
did it not Pi** down the last time you was there ???
Andrew has probably thrown away some (dry as a chip) trip notes I gave him for the Flinders LOL

Ruby looks great in the Rig pic, and that awesome Wog Pole SF.

Cheers
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FollowupID: 338107   Submitted: Saturday, Oct 02, 2004 at 22:01

Willem posted:

Hi Bernie

Yes I always seem to strike the rain in the Flinders. Andrew and company had a night to remember..hahahaha

The Wog Pole worked well over the 1000 or so dunes we traversed but I had to reinforce each join with insulation tape as the construction of the pole is not robust. Other travellers definitely saw me coming even when the vehicle was out of view. I could not use the last skinny tip but the length ended up at 5 metres. Thanks for the idea.
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AnswerID: 78655   Submitted: Sunday, Oct 03, 2004 at 11:30

Nudenut replied:

hey the tourist is home?
for how long?

Looks like you enjoyed the trip and the new truck went well!
pity its a nissan but haha

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FollowupID: 338158   Submitted: Sunday, Oct 03, 2004 at 21:21

Willem posted:

G'day Richard

The tourist is back for a week. Then a day in Adelaide and a few days later another trip to Melbourne. Then at the end of the month the EO Robe trip comes up and we still want to go to Perth this year. Then I an staying home for 4 months!!!!!....true........
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FollowupID: 338189   Submitted: Monday, Oct 04, 2004 at 08:32

Nudenut posted:

i believe all except the last bit....4 months home....cant believe that willem ...sorry

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AnswerID: 78699   Submitted: Sunday, Oct 03, 2004 at 21:13

Member - John (Vic) replied:

Hi Mate sounds like you had fun, all went well thats the main thing.
You did not comment about not having to open the window for air con, so I guess the real deal did work in the new beast. LOL.
That wog pole looks so long it makes the car top heavy. LOL.

Good to see you back.
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FollowupID: 338160   Submitted: Sunday, Oct 03, 2004 at 21:26

Willem posted:

G'day John

Yep, It was aircon all the way....still the flies managed to get in from time to time. Pure luxury after 'Rosie' BTW I caught up with 'Rosie' in the Flinders where she was on a rescue mission for stranded travellers.

Coming to Anglesea mid month but probably won't have time for a visit.
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AnswerID: 78706   Submitted: Sunday, Oct 03, 2004 at 21:51

Des Lexic replied:

Gday Willie,
Glad that you and Uncle are both home safe and sound. Sounds like another great trip with a tale or two to tell.
Catch up at Robe no doubt.
Poor Ruby in a creek bed floating down stream, I bet the clacker valve was working overtime. LOL
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FollowupID: 338410   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 20:49

Willem posted:

Yep..the clacker valve was just about to get in to overdrive when I swung the GQ out of the track and on to higher ground. For while it was quite nervewracking sitting on an island in a sea of rushing water which kept on creeping higher. Not worrying so much for myself but for those who do not experience these things in daily life and as they were under my leadership I had to make a split decision. But it all worked out in the end. See you at Robe.
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AnswerID: 78725   Submitted: Monday, Oct 04, 2004 at 01:16

ben replied:

willem, thanks for the reply.
as i have never been to the simpson i didnt know what you meant about the bikes,
thanks for answering me now i am further educated on the matter.
ben
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AnswerID: 78924   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 14:29

GQ (SA) replied:

JohnR (Vic) & Willem why did you call the flag pole a "wog pole"

GQ
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FollowupID: 338409   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 05, 2004 at 20:44

Willem posted:

GQ

The device is known as a Squid Pole but its colloquial name in Melbourne is Wog Pole.

Not wanting to offend anyone I went into a fishing shop in Melbourne and asked for a Squid Pole.

"Oh, you mean a Wog Pole" the middle aged sales manager replied.

It would seem that ever since the TV skit 'Wogs out of work' and various other plays containing that name, the term WOG has been demistified and is no longer regarded as a derogatory term. So that is why John and I and others have termed it a Wog Pole.

If you have been offended by this term I beg your forgiveness but the term is not intended to offend.
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