Truckster (Vic) posted:

Wheres them photoees of yours taken? Looks great!

Rosco - Bris. posted:

Up the Cape. Bloody grouse spot cobber.

Leroy posted:

Looks like on the way in to Vyrillia point.

Leroy

Rosco - Bris. posted:

Got it it one. Coming back actually.

Cheers

Leroy posted:

ah...knew I should of said from lol!!

Leroy

DARREN posted:

Thanks for your thoughts re your experiences.

I'm amazed by your implying that if I saw it in the magazine that I would take it as gospel. Haven't you just "written" something yourself.
A mag. writeup is just someones opinion (although often biased by commercial interests) and something to consider, but that hardly makes it gospel.
Personally I much rather unbiased opinions based upon experience, hence the post.

Truckster (Vic) posted:

Nope, I wasnt pointing the finger at you, it was a comment on the last 10-20 posts on tires, and other things.

At least you are wise enough to see "(although often biased by commercial interests)"...

DARREN posted:

Actually Truckster, was just looking at ARB website and they have 8, 11 & 15,000 kg versions and recommend the 8000 for most vehicles. I am wondering what yours are. I have a GU and am pretty keen on it being dependable when required.

Truckster (Vic) posted:

Im sure I have one 8000 and one 11,000 (you can see the diff in size).

If yor going to be independent get a winch, + hand winch...

Member - Toffa (NSW) posted:

Onya Darren. I'll back you up there (and no I dont work for Aus 4wd Monthly!). But you've gotta give the boys a bit of credit. And Truckster, you've always had a lot of good stuff to say and I'm not having a dig at you or anything like that at all.
For what its worth I went with the Kaymar 8000kg.

Truckster (Vic) posted:

" but I find it hard to believe that prominent 4x4 mags could print false and misleading figures when doing these brand V brand comparos for obviouse reasons"
ya kidding arent you? Are you honestly alive? is blood pumping around your body?

One week one brand of spotties wins HANDS DOWN followed by 2 page spread ads, and YOU CAN WIN X BRAND LIGHTS IN OUR COMP..

Then few weeks later the competiton mag has 100% the opposite results followed by 2 page spread ads, and YOU CAN WIN X BRAND LIGHTS IN OUR COMP..

yrs back one magazine did NOTHING but praise one brand of 4b not one bad word was ever said about them.. NOTHING, even with large failure figures on their prize model.. and amazingly all the magazines long term cars were that brand..

my 3mth old could see whats going on here..

YGTBK

Andrew posted:

The follow up to the broken ARB strap was "What the ?" by the company because the strap was actually made by one of the leading strap makers who had a number of straps in the tests and they were simply badged (or painted or whatever) for different companies.
I heard on the grapevine there was a manufacturing fault with one batch and ARB offered changeovers as soon as they knew about it.

regards

A

Member - Browny (VIC) posted:

Truck,

Take a deep breath there champ, there's plenty of blood flowing through my vains, not quite at the same pressure as yours thankfully.
If you read my post I was talking about Item V Item, Brand V Brand comparisons in the SAME mag, backed up with figures from tests under controlled conditions, not some poxy mag v mag debate about mines bigger than yours.

Are you suggesting that a fairly recent comparo on fridges in 4wd monthly (i Think) all conducted at the same time under the same controlled conditions was just a waste of time and "false & misleading" figures were printed just to appease there sponsors???

Are you also suggesting that there recent snatch trap comparo where stretch & breaking strains from several brands were all documented & printed was also full of "false & misleading" results just to appease there mates???

What I'm saying is (for the second time) when the tests are backed up by facts and figures for all to see in black and white then surely you can be forgiven for believing that those are the figures received under those test conditions, other wise the editors would find'm selves in trouble for lying about there test results...................surely.

Now I understand where your coming from, if Joe blogs was given a free set of BFG Muddies to do a cape trip for a 4by mag, then I'm pretty sure in his article he's gonna say "by the way the BFG's were great!!!!!

But when all the the leading brands are pitted against each other and the technical stuff is recorded & printed then that info is to be taken differently than a "my oppinion" type article.

Do you see where I'm coming from?????
if not, run this thread by your 3 month old.

Browny

Hobes posted:

I agree with you Browny, Truck You don't have to believe the independent tests done by various mags on products but then why go to the expense of buying their mags? Aren't you just wasting your money?

Of course you should take everything you read with a grain of salt and that "independent" tests can vary from one to another.... but the basic premise remains; the results printed in a mag ARE the results from tests they or others have conducted at some point.

Just for the record, I use a Black Rat strap and although it doesn't rate "highly" in many tests, it has performed well for the last 18mths I have owned it. On the other hand, my mate in his gq has used his ARB only twice (in sandy conditions) and it now looks like the provebial.

Truckster (Vic) posted:

Hobes.
I havent bought a 4b magazine for 12+ mths, wouldnt waste the money..

No real "NEWS" in them, just adverts.

MrBitchi posted:

Mate,
I agree with you about never using a shackle if you can avoid it but if I have to use one it is ALWAYS a 4.7T rated one. IMO the stronger the better. Less likely to become one of those missiles...
John

Phil G posted:

John,

A snatch recovery is only as strong (safe) as the weakest link. So the bits that can break are the recovery points, the strap and anything else used (shackles).

Of these, the shackles are the strongest. From memory it takes over 30 tonnes of force to break a 3.2T rated shackle. A quality 8000kg+ strap won't break either.

So if something is going to break, its likely to be those loop recovery points fitted to the front of most 4wds. They are NOT rated for snatch recovery - only for towing.

So, if the recovery point breaks then your heavy 4.7T shackle is a much heavier and dangerous missile than a 3.2T.

Cheers
Phil

navaraman posted:

"So if something is going to break, its likely to be those loop recovery points fitted to the front of most 4wds. They are NOT rated for snatch recovery - only for towing"

Then don't use them. If someone is bogged and they haven't had the common sense to fit rated recovery points first then that is their problem. They'd better start digging, jacking and praying.

Phil G posted:

Navaraman,

I'm with you on this one.

But it can be very hard to fit chassis-mounted rated points to many vehicles - just look at the 80series, 100series, 78/79series and 120series LandCruisers.

I predict that we'll be using bridle recovery a lot more in the future.

Nigel (WA) posted:

Heya all

Sorry i disagree Phil G, As i am a offshore rigger i should know, this statement is false
"From memory it takes over 30 tonnes of force to break a 3.2T rated shackle"
I have seen these break at 4.5T when i am off shore when lifting and we use brand new equipment every stint i go on.

SWL is 3.2T for that shackle, then that means you cant lift aything over 3.2T unless you wanna take safety in your own hands. As i have said i have seen a brand new 3.2T shackle break at 4.5T and thats from experience.

Phil G posted:

Hi Nigel,

Not wanting to start an argument, but........

The figures came from 4wdmonthly's test of 4wd bow shackles according to AS2741. I've just looked it up - 4.7T Black Rat bow shackle busted at 33.7 tonnes and the 3.2T bow shackle broke at 27.2 tonnes.

I've never seen or heard of a 3.2T rated bow shackle breaking in a 4wding situation;
Snatch straps and recovery points do break.
Broken recovery points with a bow shackle attached to the strap are potentially lethal.

Cheers
Phil