Toilet <span class="highlight">training</span>

Submitted: Friday, Oct 08, 2004 at 22:33
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On the recent trip to the desert we were once again disgusted by the lack of knowledge by campers who leave lengths of toilet paper floating in the breeze or getting stuck on to bushes creating the White Desert Flowers.

I spoke with a convoy of older citizens who candidly told me that they had camped just a few kilometres up the track. When we arrived at the spot where they had camped there were four distinct toilet areas marked with billowing paper. You would have thought that they would know better.

I took notice of my travelling companions to see what they were carrying in their hands when the call of nature came. The female of the species always brought the paper back to burn in the fire. The fellas did not carry matches. On two occassions I remarked that all toilet paper should be carefully burnt. The retort I received from both of my companions was uncomplimentary. Now both these fellas have been involved on a State and National level with 4x4's and one served on the Executive of the AN4WDC. After all these years they still haven't learnt the basics of bush hygiene....what hope is there for the generations to come?

I put it down to the lack of Education and the lack of care for the Environment. The old adage " I'm allright Jack and stuff the lot of ya" also fits the bill.

Driver Training is a must
Toilet and Camp Hygiene Training should be included with Driver Training\
All publications about 4x4's, caravans and camping should dedicate a page to bush hygiene.

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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Oct 08, 2004 at 22:41

Friday, Oct 08, 2004 at 22:41
sounds like u have thebleeps LMAO
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Oct 08, 2004 at 22:42

Friday, Oct 08, 2004 at 22:42
what you cant even say S H I T S?
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Friday, Oct 08, 2004 at 22:51

Friday, Oct 08, 2004 at 22:51
My youngest daughter had them today. Not being fully toilet trained and when out and about today she just did it in her undies and carried it around with her. Very kind on the enviroment but a bit stinky :)
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Oct 08, 2004 at 23:21

Friday, Oct 08, 2004 at 23:21
You are becoming a sad case Trucky when you answer your own posts...hahahahaha

Go stand in the corner Ray!!!!

Good night, night owls

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Follow Up By: Member - Mungo Explorer (NSW) - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 00:00

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 00:00
I've been wondering about the frequent insertions of "bleeps"... Does the forum do this automatically, ie is there some sort of filter for "naughty" words? Or is it an impressive example of self-discipline?
I was thinking of testing it by posting a message that would even make Truckster blush, but took fright...
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 00:41

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 00:41
There is a filter Mungo.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 15:44

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 15:44
The bleep filter bleeps out the bleep, so we dont bleep or give anyine the bleeps.
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Reply By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Friday, Oct 08, 2004 at 23:47

Friday, Oct 08, 2004 at 23:47
Maybe a nation wide ad campaign... picture of a bum, picture of a turd in a back filled hole, picture of dunny paper on fire and last but not least, picture of someone handing over their $10k fine for being an absolute discrace to the human gene pool.
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Reply By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 00:40

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 00:40
I wonder if these are the same people that let their dirty dogs crap all over my nature strip so others can walk in it. Gives me thebleeps.
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Reply By: Member - DickyBeach - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 07:23

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 07:23
While sharing your disgust I can tell you it is not confined to Oz.
A few months ago we drove through the French countryside and wherever there was a scenic viewpoint with adjacent scrub we'd see the same filthy mess. Strange, too, that in a nation of heavy smokers, that none of them were carrying matches or a lighter to be able to burn the paper. Perhaps they, too, are just as ignorant.
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 08:42

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 08:42
I have followed a lot of these type of posts in the past. What do you do during fire season?

Maybe there is a solution waiting to happen, like some bright person can actually come up with a very portable loo, based on a dry chemical system or something, which is easy to lug around, and more importantly, easy to clean.

We have Porta Potties, we have the bag system, but I believe something better needs to be done.

When it's all done, we can even call it Lug'A'Log!

Cheers

Wolfie
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Follow Up By: Bob of KAOS - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 09:21

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 09:21
Good point re fire risk. Even in July a toilet paper fire will easily spread to spinifex. Extreme care needed at all times. In forest areas during fire season burial of all products is only option. A small trowel or spade is therefore the minimum mandatory kit. I don't believe treatment or retrieval systems are viable options.
The requirement to store and remove all rubbish and proper treatment of toilet waste should be reinforced to all travellers and bush users frequently. This is the only way to change a culture.
The message could appear in magazines, at roadhouses, on websites, in campnig/4WD stores. It needs some kind of national sponsorship.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 17:11

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 17:11
We just burn it in the hole, then put layer of dirt over it ... & so on. Then fill the hole in when we leave.
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Follow Up By: Member - Errol (York WA) - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 17:25

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 17:25
I,m with you Shaker . We do the same . There,s little chance of coursing a fire that way .
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Reply By: D-Jack - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:57

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:57
Believe it or not I actually saw a documentary on ABC once that did a study of buried toilet paper - it seems that it is not a biodegradeable as we might think, especially when buried. If the wild animals do not dig it up, it takes 5 years minimum (in very damp soil) to be unrecognisable as TP. No conclusion was drawn as to a more acceptable method of disposal , therefore I draw my own conclusion.

*****JUST HOLD ON****.

You should have gone before you left.!

D-Jack
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:15

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 12:15
That program was aired on "Catalyst"

They did a study on a walking track in Tasmania, up in the mountains, where it is very cold.

What would you expect........ may as well shove your turds in the freezer!

The turds themselves break down okay on the surface of the ground, animals have been doing it like that for ever. Like Willie said, it's the paper.

Could be a market for anal catheters........

Wolfie
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 13:34

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 13:34
Thanks for that Wolfie.

I was sure I would get some stick and that people wouldn't belive me that such a TV program existed.

Anan catheters, don't know, but someone should come up with a way to change the chemical make-up of poo to make it edible. Would solve a lot of problems, save money. Would take a while to get used to the idea but if they can make it taste good then would make it easier.

Some 'food for thought' on ' poo for consumption'

D-Jack
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Follow Up By: squizzy - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 14:32

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 14:32
Animal turds break down because they eat natural foods.

Ours last until fossilised due to the high amount of preservatives we swallow.
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Reply By: theshadows - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 13:03

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 13:03
Burning the paper is mt favourite trick.I take the port a pottie out of the yacht for long trips and the big tent.
Mind you you get some strange looks when you sit on it on the side of the road reading the paper.Woops there goes a jappanese tour bus.
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Reply By: Shaker - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 17:25

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 17:25
Ok, I'll get on the soap box too, about the things that disgusted us on our recent month long 8,000km outback trip.

We too were disgusted by the 'bush daisies'

We were disgusted by the rubbish left at campsites, 15 stubbies in one heap! Why do people think that if they throw rubbish in the fire that it will go away!

We were disgusted by the amount of trackside rubbish, when we got lost due to stolen signs, the way we worked out which way to go was check which way had the most rubbish! Sad, but true!

We were disgusted by people that steal the signs, possibly putting others at risk!

It is no wonder that 4 wheel drivers have a bad image, I realise it is the minority that offend, but we all wear the guernsey for it. Unfortunately their brains are so small that they don't realise that areas WILL be closed because of their unconscionable behaviour.

Now, I have it all off my chest.
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 19:04

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 19:04
Yes we too have cleaned up camping spots after others have left there bush daisies.
Had to do it after a Bill Kings safari group years ago too. When I had a go at the driver of the Unimog he said that they provided shovels etc but can't make paying customers use them!
Why Not!!
I did an experiment when my kids were all little and all simultaneously needed to do number 2's. Dug three holes about 400mm deep in the sand , about 2 metres apart in a line. When the kids had finished I burnt the paper in the outer two holes and then buried all three.
Next morning there was a crater about a metre across centred on the centre hole dug by dingoes to get at the paper in the centre hole. The two outer holes that had the paper burnt were undisturbed. The dogs were definitely after the scent of the paper.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 19:34

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 19:34
Nth of Broken hill in the rocks they dug up everything, did and burnt each time and the holes were still opened by "something" and the contents scavenged.
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Reply By: Des Lexic - Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 22:42

Saturday, Oct 09, 2004 at 22:42
Totally agree Willie. We carry a box of matches in the toilet roll carry bag and burn the paper afterwards. Down the hole and then buried afterwards won't create a fire risk.
You could use just one square of paper too but that's another story.
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Sunday, Oct 10, 2004 at 10:06

Sunday, Oct 10, 2004 at 10:06
"You could use just one square of paper too but that's another story."

I wish...........

One up...
One down...
One for polish...

That's the best I've EVER been able to do, and thats a minimum of 5 squares folded per wipe!!

Cheers

Wolfie
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