32' Tyres. Which type?

Submitted: Thursday, Dec 09, 2004 at 10:44
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Hi everyone,
Just got a suspension upgrade from arb on my 95 4runner. Because of the IFS I can only go up to a 32 inch tyre. I was wondering on any opinions between the BFG Muddies and the Goodyear MTR's?

I know some people use both and was wondering if anyone could advise me on the most suitable tyre. I live in Melb south east Suburbs and go away to Gembrook and around that area a bit. I have also completed a few longer trips away to cameron's corner etc.

I need a tyre that will be able to tour as well as provide good traction when going offroad in Gembrook.

ANy advice will be greatly appreciated or any other brands even..... FOr around the same cost....

Cheers.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Dec 09, 2004 at 14:00

Thursday, Dec 09, 2004 at 14:00
MTR's.

But if you have spare coin, go some Swampers on second rims and AT's for weekdays.
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Follow Up By: Member - T-bone (ACT) - Thursday, Dec 09, 2004 at 14:57

Thursday, Dec 09, 2004 at 14:57
Hey Truckster.

What do the MTRs offer over the BFGs? I'm running 235/85/16 BFG muddies now that'll need replacement sooner rather than later (maybe Santa will be nice...), so I'll be in the market soon....

T-Bone.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Dec 10, 2004 at 12:07

Friday, Dec 10, 2004 at 12:07
Have run BFG MT's that are now on another board members truck (Royce), and now the MTR's.

Have just found the MTRs work better when I wheel (Vic), and with the stories going around about the 'new' BFG's since they went to KM/KO series, softer sidewalls and the lack of wear in them since the rubber compound was changed to softer, I'll go MTR's again. Although I have thought about AT's for the road since I run Simex's offroad, but Im more than happy with the MTR's on and offroad.. They also did well at Robe.

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Follow Up By: Member - T-bone (ACT) - Friday, Dec 10, 2004 at 12:46

Friday, Dec 10, 2004 at 12:46
Cool, thanks for the info Truckster...

T-Bone.
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Reply By: rb30s - Thursday, Dec 09, 2004 at 18:15

Thursday, Dec 09, 2004 at 18:15
Hi Longy,
Try to have a look at each tyre unmounted. When I bought my last tyres I checked out 32/11.5-15 BFG's and felt that they seemed too flimsy. They are very flexible(which is good sometimes) but the dont seem to be very robust, especially in the sidewalls when compared with MTR's. The BFG's sidewall are noticably thinner. I believe though that BFG's would be better in mud and maybe rockhopping, while MTR's would be better on stoney surfaces,and road use with their sticky silica compound rubber.If you are using one set of tyres for everything go for MTR's they are tough and last well (for muddies), and make a good offroad oriented allround tyre .
I ended up buying 31/10.5-15 MTR's (I only have 7 inch wide wheels),I've done 48K on them so far and expect to get another 15K out of them. Next time I will either go 32/11.5 MTR's and 8 inch rims or 32/10.5 Simex ET's for fun stuff and road tyres when not playing.
Another point worth noting is that MTR's generally seem to be a smaller diameter(damn) then BFG's, while its worth noting that 32/10.5 Simex ET's are actually about 33.3 inch diameter and 11.1 inches wide.
Adrian
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Reply By: NJ SWB - Thursday, Dec 09, 2004 at 20:45

Thursday, Dec 09, 2004 at 20:45
I've got 33" MT/Rs at the moment, and am reasonably happy with them. A recent trip from Brisbane to Adelaide via Innamincka and Arkaroola saw the rears suffer from lots of cuts, but no flats. I have a great deal of confidence in their "toughness." They seem slightly noisier than the 31" S/Ts I had previously, although I don't notice the noise when the vehicle is fully loaded. I've had some trouble with balance, but that could be the cheap steel rims too.

For the record, MT/R is for Maximum Traction, Reinforced - they are not supposed to be a dedicated mud tyre, and 4wd Monthly's tests rated BFG Muds and Cooper STT better in mud (all round actually, but let's not split hairs...) The MT/Rs rated best on rocks, and competition rock crawlers do seem to like them.

A somewhat unscientific test here -> http://www.offroad.au.com/features/goodyear-mtr-bfgoodrich-mud-terrain-construction.cfm is interesting too.

If you want ultimate mud traction, go BFG MTs or Cooper STTs (or Boggers...) but for an all-round tyre the MT/Rs are probably the better option.

For the record, next time I'll be going Coopers - possibly S/Ts again, but probably STT.

Cheers,

Scott
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Dec 10, 2004 at 12:11

Friday, Dec 10, 2004 at 12:11
STT's have a hideous wear rate compared to any other mud tire.
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Follow Up By: Bucket - Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 11:30

Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 11:30
I've seen quite the opposite Truckster....
One of my mates had a 93 Hilux with 32x11.50R15 STT Cooper on it.
He spent nearly every weekend (except for when he was fixing the rig) out wheeling, used them as his daily driver and got great kms out of them.
He eventually sold them with around 60,000kms and still a fair amount of tread on 'em, and replaced them with 33x12.50R15 STT. He loves them.
Me personally, Ive run Cooper HT, AT and ST and gotten phenomenal k's out of all of them too.
HT - Dual Cab Rodeo - 115,000kms.
AT - Mitsubishi Ute - 55,000kms (Wrote the vehicle off...still had bit over half rubber on the tyres)
ST - Hilux - 45,000kms so far and still going, around 60% remaining.
Hope this helps.
RYano
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Follow Up By: NJ SWB - Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 11:50

Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 11:50
It's funny - I don't think any other brand of tyre can provoke as strong a response as Coopers. And the people who dislike them the most seem to be ardent supporters of BFGs.

Caveat Emptor?

Scott
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Follow Up By: Bucket - Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 12:06

Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 12:06
You're not wrong.
I like American Made tyres. They are stronger and straighter in the sidewall.
I don't mind BFG and I think they have it over a lot of other tyres on the market.
Personally when compared to Cooper though, I just don't think they are as good. Not as many patterns to choose from making it more difficult to choose a pattern that is closest to my particular wants from a tyre. Aside from it's strength the only real major let down for me in the BFG range is the AT. Not a big fan. But that's me. Had a set and didn't like them. That's not to say that someone else isn't going to like them.
Tyres ARE a personal thing, I like Cooper and will stick with Cooper!
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 13:55

Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 13:55
Mate had STTs on his GQ, they were dead in 38,000kms.
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Follow Up By: NJ SWB - Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 14:18

Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 14:18
And I've seen MT/Rs scrubbing atrociously which won't make 38'000kms - is that the fault of the tyre?
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 14:27

Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 14:27
I havent, and Ive seen any MTR's most in our club love em now, and mine have over 40,000 on them, still at ~70% left to go... knowing they will wear faster as all tires do towards the end.
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Follow Up By: NJ SWB - Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 14:46

Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 14:46
OK - I think we've taken a detour here. I'm not denying MT/Rs are good tyres - I'm happy with mine too.

You proclaimed "STT's have a hideous wear rate compared to any other mud tire." No explanation of how you came to this conclusion, no evidence.

Then you come back with one example: "Mate had STTs on his GQ, they were dead in 38,000kms." Fair enough - given that tyres don't "live" the choice of the term "dead" is a little vague, but given the context I presume you mean they were worn to the legal limit. No mention of where or how they were driven.

I countered with an example of a set of MT/Rs which will not have a long and happy life, because they were suffering from horribly bad wheel alignment. I don't take this as evidence that MT/Rs are bad tyres, just as I don't accept your evidence that STTs are bad tyres - based on the experience of one mate.

Yes, many people claim STTs wear real fast, but few seem to speak from personal experience - most seem to relate the experience of others. Most people I find who have actually owned Cooper STTs have not had bad experiences - so they are on the short list for my next set.

Cheers,

Scott

PS If anybody in SE Queensland is interested in a s/hand set of MT/Rs, let me know.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 16:33

Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 16:33
I wouldnt personally get STT's from what I have seen with TB's GQ, who I used to wheel with regularly. So you wont ever get 'personal' experience from me on them. Same as most people will only go second hand info from mates... Even 2 blokes from ARB Sthn said they wear out faster than anyother muddie...

They look like good tires, they just wear out fast.. Way to fast for a daily driver. If they did last they may be an option.

To identify what I mean by Dead, that they were at least 85-90% worn, so useless as a wife offroad. To me MT's are pretty much fubar at 85%.. The best part of ANY tire is upto 20,000 while they have a square edge still.

Ask Turps on OL... he had them.. Totally rooted. He now has 35 MTR I THINK.. might be BF's..
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Follow Up By: NJ SWB - Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 16:54

Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 16:54
OK - now we're getting some good info - thank you.

However, you've managed to raise another issue. The last time I checked, ARB stores weren't selling Cooper tyres - only BFGs. Which is something else I've noticed - those dealers recommending BFGs don't sell Coopers, while those recommending Coopers were able to sell me either. Perhaps the margins are better?

Ford vs Holden, Toyota vs Nissan, BFG vs Coopers - it'll never end.

Cheers,

Scott
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:44

Thursday, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:44
ARB Sth were huge sellers of Coopers 12-18mths ago when I got my MTR's.

But as you say, you will never get a Goodyear Tire shop telling you Dunlops or others are better.
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Reply By: turps11 - Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 19:32

Wednesday, Dec 15, 2004 at 19:32
Ok this is my thoughts on tyres that I have had over the last couple of years. These are all on a SWB GQ.
1st set - I brought the car and it had 31x10.50R15 on Nissan 15x7. These didnt get much off-road use, but did work really well on road from memory. Did one semi outback trip on them when they where buggered. And only got one flat, which I fixed with a plug (I still have these tyres mounted on rims I dont use, it is the only one that still holds air after 4yrs).

2nd set - Where BFG Muds(old style) 285/75R16 (33x11.5R16 I think) on 16x8trakII. These where a fantastic tyre worked well on road and off. And I got bloody good mileage out of these would have to have been close to 60-70 000km. These where buggered when I changed them except 2, one of those was in good nick that I kept for a spare. The other was a near new spare, so kept it.

3rd Set - Where 2nd Hand Cooper STT in 285/75R16 on 16x8's. These have only just been put out to pasture and they are buggerd. I think I only ever got one flat with these. When I first got them I had trouble keeping them on rims, when using low pressure (10-15psi-ok most tyres would fall off at this). But I think this was more due to the tyre fitter using soap or tyre grease to help fit. As I think the bead was alot tighter than the BFG's. When I got them they where at about 70%, and they came off ARB sth's 100series LC. And from what I have heard had a hard life. Which didnt stop when I got them.
Early on when I first got them I did tear a lug off, which did expose wire. So I always fitted this to the rear (also this was the only one to rarely leak). But they handled well on-road and where fantastic off-road.
I did find that on the shorty I did have to run them slightly lower in pressure compared to what I ran the BFG muds at. Think it was 42 compared with 45psi (and yes I know this is to much, but geez it handled well around the bends).
Sorry the only guide on K's I can give yous is I think I got 40 -50000km out of them.
Early NOV I did a trip from BGO- Broekn Hill - Camerons CNR - Innaminka - Dig Tree (and graves) - Innaminka (had to go back cos playdo need fuel) -Haddon CNR - Birdsville - Peopples CNR - Marree and Flinders ranges on teh way home. Didnt have any tyre problems. And tyre condition at end off trip, was that the wear indictors where starting to wear when we goto Mildura. And due to alot of mud, they wear still producing some pretty good roosters when drving thru it.

4th set - I now have a set of 2nd hand 35X12.50R15 MT/'s on bling 15x8's. Havnt used these much, but I think they are a soft compound and time will tell. But it does seem to have made a big differance in the off-road ability. But they arnt as good on-road (tested using the roundabout method- they slipped).

5set- was a 31" HT that where only used on road.

Buggered in my IMO is wear marks getting wear. As for what muddies to get I think any mud tyre you choose you will be happy with. The 3types I have had have been good. So far I am thinking that 35" cooper ST's might be good for a road tyre.
And as for a tyre being buggered after 15%wear. This is what I think. Yes after this they do seem to taper off abit. As the lugs get rounded. But I have worn my last 4 sets down to the wear indicators, and the performance has always been there for that tyre right to down to 100% buggered. Except on-road in the wet they kind of suck'd right at the end.

Turps
Sorry this was long. I just felt like typeing.
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