old mate posted:

You honestly think this is some sort of conspiracy? What piffle!

Lone Wolf posted:

Well, I do take my hat off to you for coming back, and not with a vengeance.

You certainly do have a thick skin, and maybe, your heart is in the right place.

I take back some of what I said, and I wish you well in your research.

Ian

joc45 posted:

If you're doing that sort of survey, wouldn't it be better to give an address for members to submit their views, rather than create an enormously long post here?
And, umm, there are a few states that don't have a North Shore or Toorack (sic). And don't have a Harold Scruby either ;-)
Some questions are a bit ill-worded; eg, petrol question - a lot of 4wds out here are diesel - makes a lot of difference to the answer given, esp if you are after accurate stats.
Gerry

Exploder posted:

I will respond with words for some.

1.1 Driver fatigue> It’s the same as any other vehicle why is a 4WD more dangerous.

1.2 Speeding> Not a big problem in my book’s, half the roads in this country could do with a speed increase. The government just like getting money from fines, with the amount of car’s on the road and k’s travelled each year the road toll is fairly good. They lower speed limit’s make it harder to get a license police the bleep out of us spend money on adds ECT and has the road toll changed.

1.3 Drink driving & drug driving>4

1.4 Inexperienced drivers (P Platers)> They have to learn some time, You what to teach P platers to drive get them on a ball bearing gravel road’s in a rear wheel drive car, 6cyl or above, You teach people to drive at speed on those types of roads at a young age you will have a country of A1 drivers who can handle a car. You don’t learn how to control a car putting around with a driving instructor or on a Computer.

1.4 4WD safety> ?? I didn’t by my 4Wd for safety I brought it so I could go to out of the way placers and explore the bush! As for if a small car and a 4WD have a crash of corse the small car will come out worse it’s basic Physics, and if this is a persons sole resin for hating 4WD’s well I am sorry but they are a dip bleep .

1.5 Truck driver fatigue>2
1.6 Mobile phone use whilst driving>2

. On a scale of 1 to 5, 1 being strongly disagrees and 5 being strongly agree, rate the following statements:

4.1 4WD’s are safe, If you are buying a 4WD just because you think it is the safest you are buying for the wrong resins, their are plenty of cars that are safer than a 4WD.

4.2 4WDs are unsafe, Compleat bleep , I can name 4 of my friend’s who would be dead now if they weren’t in a 4WD, and offcourse a 4WD will implement more damage to a smaller car so why should this make a small car safe and a 4WD dangerous. More to the point any car is unsafe when driven badly.

4.3 4WD’s safety should be better regulated>1
4.4 Safety is primarily the drivers responsibility> a big 5
4.5 If a pedestrian is hit by a 4WD they are twice as likely to be killed> If any car hit’s you at speed you will be dead or seriously injured, tell me how many people have been killed by being hit by a 4WD this year, Now tell me how many 4WD were involved in animal strikes I.E Cow, Roo, Emu, Goat and how many of those people would be dead or injured if they were not in a 4WD.

4.6 4WDs are safer than other vehicles> depends what Vehicles and under what conditions. I have a mate who was recently involved in a LEGAL Drag racing accident where the front left side of the car hit the wall at 160km/h in his street legal Supercharged Commodore now if we believe all the Government adds he should be Dead so why did he walk away with only a bruised nee and well a written off car.
I also know someone who hit a Cow head on wile travelling at 110km/h at night in the country and if he wasn’t in a 4WD he would be Dead if this was a commodore or a small car he would have been dead. Get were I am going with this?

3. Thinking about the statements above, what factors help form your opinion of vehicle safety?, I will be honest I have never even looked at the safety rating on a vehicle when buying, I buy what will best suet my need’s and the vehicle I Like.

4. On a scale of 1 to 5, 1 being strongly disagrees and 5 being strongly agree, rate the following statements:

4WD use more petrol than other vehicles> Ever driven a Turbo diesel Nissan, Toyota, Jeep or even a ford F250 you will be impressed. My 4.0Ltr V6 4WD (Petrol engine) uses around 14Ltrs per 100k’s driving around the metro aria. My Mum’s 2.2ltr Honda gets around 10ltrs per 100k’s around the metro aria, and I can go a lot of places the Honda can’t go and carry a lot more equipment and people in comfort as well.

4WD’s should be banned from urban areas 1
4WD owners need to undertake a specialised driving skills course> Should be a option if a first time buyer
It is the North Shore (Toorack) 4WD drivers who are unsafe> Don’t know don’t life there.

They are my opinions like it or hate it.

Exploder posted:

Good one.LOL

Will there be a part 2.

Footloose posted:

Mate, I rekkon I should of stopped and waited for his answers at the firsdt line of dots......... I could then have adopted a clinically academic approach, instead of trying in inject some humour into what the 4th estate sees as a life and death struggle between fat hairy 4wd owners and po litically and environmentally correct would be if I could be wannabee pushbike riders.
Oh sorry. Am I being a bit biased here ? Thast was the newspaper on the phone, they want me to do a story .............:)))))))))

Footloose posted:

Scruby ?... noun...look under pedestal council..look under media mistress....look under "I drive a 4wd and my wife can't park it"....look under I vant to be a politician (again).....look under bullbar....oops that last one wasn't nice Footy !!!!!

Footloose posted:

For more see WHO ??</a

Footloose posted:

Sorry, try http://home.iprimus.com.au/jimshire/mr_who.htm

Motherhen posted:

Hi Trekkie - I am sure many of us would give Cowgal feedback if she gives us a website or email addy. Research conducted in the manner proposed on the forum would have no clout, and anyone involved in research would know this. I have come back to the post to check for a bit more info and that web or email address - but no more Cowgal. Before responding, I, like others on the post would like to know more about this Cowgal doing research for some nebulous unclarified group.

Mr Fawlty posted:

Probably gone off to regroup... or log in under another name....maybe even decided that the "statistics" he/she wanted were not going to favour his/her agenda so we have been abandoned...I'm kind of amazed because the "Government" never gets it's stats / data by interviewing a known vested interest....Especially as the only agenda of any goverment is to increase motoring costs....

Motherhen posted:

Willem - is that you with your finger on the trigger?

Motherhen posted:

Oops - what happened to the picture i posted?

Motherhen posted:

I give up - this website deletes anything to do with cats

Member - Tonester (VIC) posted:

or email thisweekstattslottoresults@hotmail.com. Seriously, fair dinkum.