Nudenut replied:

the same way you got it up there I guess.....
throwing it down will only let it get out of control.

Voxson (Adelaide) replied:

Try opposite lock....
My rear twin carrier was $2200.... But Kaymar was $3300....

Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) replied:

I have done it once helping out 2 girls get a spare off the roof rack on the GRR - Not too bad with 3 people. Funnily enough I drove past the 2 blokes just up the road struggling getting theirs off---------------

Peter 2 replied:

You only ever throw it down until the day it lands the wrong way and comes back and stoves the side of the vehicle in. I've never done it with a wheel and tyre combo but tyre only (carried the second spare case on the roofrack).
I did see a bloke chuck one down years ago when he was stuck on a hill, was funny as the wheel went up hill as he intended then chucked a Uuie and took off down the hill through the scrub, took them an hour to find it and had to get the truck to it as they couldn't carry/wheel it uphill.

Member - Roachie (SA) replied:

G'day John,
I had the same problem and solved it several years ago with one Opp Locks dual wheel carriers.
Even though I'm 6'1", I had trouble hoisting the 265/75+ steel wheel high enough to get it onto the roof rack of my 4" lifted Patrol.
However, I used to have a set-up on my previous GQ Patrol that worked okay.
I had a short piece of pipe welded vertically into the inside rear corner of the roof rack. It was about 5" long and was flush with the top of the rack. The inside diameter was the same as the outside diameter of a length of water pipe I'd salvaged from the Bank (where I worked in Cooma) after some renovations. It had been a handrail leading up the front steps and had a convenient bend of about 135o. It was about 2" diameter. I had a small collar of pipe welded to the handrail about 5" up from the bottom (the same pipe as was welded to the rack).....this stopped the handrail going through the roof rack too far and hitting the roof of the GQ.
I bought a simple rachet boat hand winch and bolted that to one end, above the welded collar. On the other end I bolted a pulley. I now had myself a jib/crane. It was simply mounted into the roof rack, swung around so the spare was below the cable, which was drawn out from the winch and hooked up to wheel on ground. Stand on rear step and wind the winch up until the tyre/wheel is above the height of the roof rack. Rotate the jib so the tyre is now above the roof rack and lower tyre on to rack. Remove the jib and store on roof rack.
Hope this helps
Cheers
Roachie

Lone Wolf replied:

I have read, here and on other forums, about this dilemma.

On my 3 week trip into the deserts last year, I was faced with the same problem, many times.... bugger.

The rack we had was a brand new ARB, all steel.

I got thinking.....

Why not make a davit, which pivots on the rear ends, and simply loops along the sides and front. pull back the davit so it is 45 degrees over the back of the vehicle, and hoist the spare, and anything else, up or down, using nothing more than a rope & pulley... 1 to 1 ratio, with a cleat. When hoisting up, the object in question stops at the top of the davit, and the rope force simply continues to raise the davit over centre onto the rack, all very simple really.

It doesn't have to be heavy, I was contemplating using 40 x 40 x 1.6 SHS, which is strong enough for any lateral moment.

So, to re-cap....

The davit, is simply a big "U" shaped frame, which is EXACTLY the same size as the top perimeter of your roof rack. It is bolted at the rear, on the left & right hand sides, so the "U" can raise, and travel right over to 45 degrees off the rear... 135 degrees of travel in total. It is all operated with one rope & pulley, with a clam cleat mounted on the roof rack.

Cheers

Wolfie

Nick R replied:

How about an outrigger to clip onto the roof rack with a pulley on the end, have the ability to hinge the outrigger for ease of lowering and raising. then simply lower with a rope. once you have just started lowering or raising the wheel you will need the ability to lock the outrigger in the horizontal position if you are holding the rope from the roof rack, otherwise the thing might go vertical and belt your car anyway....
good luck,
NickR

Original Banjo (SA) replied:

Good ideas above in my view Dyssey - the smart / modern / investment in good health / thing to do would be make a collapsible winching device of some sort. With my dicky back, I would have no alternative ! I currently carry an extra spare tyre as a case only - easy enough to lift it up on the Campomatic (about 1.5m up). IF I had to carry a wheel, I'd make something - even a light ramp to slide it up. Not practical up to a car's roof probably. A light duty winch that could lift the wheel from the centre appeals to me as an idea.

kimprado replied:

Hi John,

Both John (OutBack Ideas)and I have been working on this problem since June 2005 and come up with a couple of proto types.

I'll give him a ring when I get back to work next week and get an update.

Regards

Kim

Peter 2 replied:

I use a boat winch with a webbing strap on the swingout carrier on the rear of the Humvee.
The winch is mounted on the vehicle side of the centre upright, the starp passes up and over the top on a U shaped saddleand then down. It will lift the wheel high enough to wiggle it onto the studs.
Or you could get one of these or even make one.
http://www.tire-lift.com/products.asp

someone will have to make one locally purely on an OH & S need.
Peter

Bilbo replied:

If your'e gonna throw it down, firstly make sure the ground is flat so it doesn't roll to far. Secondly roll it off the roofrack so that it lands perpendicular to the vehicle. That way it doesn't bounce back at the vehicle. It'll roll when it hits the ground.

If ya throw so that it lands parallel with the vehicle there's a good chance it'll bounce back into the vehicle.

Did it once on me old Patrol and got it wrong. It bounced back and took out the drivers side mirror and mounting.

Getting it back? Hard work or a winch.

Bilbo

Bonz (Vic) replied:

Well I throw mine down, try to get it spinning and land flat, not rolled off like someone said above, it'd bounce a mile!

To get it up I lift up and over the spare wheel but geez its a hard job, I'd like a jib like Wolfies designing above

Willem replied:

Pick the wheel up and on to your shoulder and gently lay it on the side of the roof rack....then slide it over. Always bend your knees and not your back when lifting heavy objects

To get it down do the reverse of above. Hold the wheel in both arms and while bending your knees slightly lower it to the ground. Never let it bounce as you don't know where it will go.

If you are of small stature or have a bad back, then buy an extra spare wheel carrier.

Or eat some more weetbix!!! LOL

Cheers

Vivid Adventures replied:

I'm with Willem - but I have a black thumb from the last time when I was tired and let the wheel slide onto my thumb.

I've got steel rims and 285/75 Cooper MT

I have a second hand Kaymar rear bar that I am about to powdercoat so I don't have to do it too many times more.

Ciao for now
Andrew

Member - Phil G (SA) replied:

You shouldn't have to do it. When we go away with a group we only do plug repairs. So if someone gets a flat or a slow leak, they pump the tyre back up again, and we spray soapy water out of a spray bottle to find the leak. Then we get the glue and plugs out and plug it. The pump is left hooked up the whole time. 5 minutes later, we are on the move again. Next town, or back home get the tyre shop to do a proper fix.

Getting out jacks and spare tyres is a PITA which you should rarely need to do. Thats why I don't like split rims and tube tyres.

4runner replied:

A small electric winch or hydraulic winch is avaible for people who are temporalily disabaled. One agile person scoots up onto the roof, hooks the spare wheel to the winch cable and gradually lowers it to the ground. The reverse is applied when placing dud tyres back on the roof. Any winch will do, so long as its bolted to the roof rack. Saw a demo of this same system at the caravan and camping expo at ASCOT in Perth back in May last year. Nothing is impossible if you have the know how and the technology availble.

Member - Frank replied:

good old trailer again have same wheels as car and dual tryers on front see profile pic