'05 Hilux SR5 Wheels

Submitted: Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 15:57

Member - Norm C (QLD)

Owners of the new Hilux might know what a PITA these wheels are. They have a unique offset that is not properly interchangable with any other wheel.

I wanted to buy three nine months ago to go on my new CT. Toyota wanted about $240.00 each for steel rims. Bugger that. I ended up with 3 Navara rims. Offset is a bit different. They fit OK on the back of the Hilux with the drum brakes, but on the front they miss the caliper by the width of a bee's d**k.

I am heading off on a 16 week trip soon to remote parts and thought I should get another spare, but want one that fits properly. Same problem. No after market wheels available yet and Toyota still wants a bar of gold for them. By the way, Toyota will sell you a new alloy SR5 wheel for about $880. Yes you read right!!!

Anyway, I think I have the opportunity to buy a full set of (4) SR5 wheels, which have been taken off a Hilux and replaced with 17 inch rims. Unfortunately they won't go on the trailer without removing the centre plastic cover. The axle stub on the trailer is a touch long. I'm still probably going to buy the alloys. I'll use one as my vehicle spare and keep one as an extra spare in case I damage one.

So I'll have two SR5 alloys left with no use for them. Any SR5 owners want to buy one to use as your spare? Apart from looks when the spare is on, you get the benefit of being able to do a full 5 wheel rotation, rather than 4.

Price $100 each (my cost price). Less than half the price of of a Toyota steely and one eighth the price of a new alloy. I'm on the Gold Coast.

If interested, PM me or email to normc007 at hotmail dot com( obviously replacing the at with @ and dot with .)
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AnswerID: 156916   Submitted: Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 19:58

time waster replied:

I used the steel wheels off the prado 90 series base model (no flares) on my hilux they look almost the same as the the sr hilux and for $30 each, yes and you could not get a feeler gauge between the wheel and caliper its that close. But no probs yet.
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FollowupID: 411091   Submitted: Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 20:30

Member - Norm C (QLD) posted:

time waster, I assume you are talking 16 inch wheels? The SR5 has 15 inch. But the issue is the same. Sounds like the Prado has similar offset to the Navara.

I don't know the details, But I have been told there are potential problems with changing wheel offsets from standard, particularly mixing offsets on the same axle. As I say I don't know the details. You or others better informed than me may be able to confirm or deny this.
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AnswerID: 156922   Submitted: Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 20:41

sheps replied:

G'day Norm,

I also have a new SR5 hilux and have done the rounds looking for steel rims to fit a set of A/T's on for the rough stuff.

Stumbled across Total Tyre Service at last week's Wandin 4WD Show in Wandin VIC. Bought 5 'King' wheels (15") which I am told have the correct '30' offset to suit our vehicles for $60 each. Also bought matching Pirelli Scorpion A/T's which performed so well in the recent A/T tyre comparison testing done by 4WD Monthly mag, for $200 each. (a 'show special' I was told)

Whilst I have only paid a deposit and not picked them up as yet, I don't expect any problems. Instead of getting blank looks from the numerous tyre retailers I had approached, Bruce was well tuned-in to the 'offset' difference of the new hilux.

If you are not already committed to the alloys, these steels are almost half the price and can be bashed back into shape on the track; try panel-beating a bent alloy. (Total Tyres 03 9568 3366)

Good luck,
Sheps
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FollowupID: 411098   Submitted: Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 21:01

Member - Norm C (QLD) posted:

Thanks for that sheps. I'm not planning on changing the alloys on the Lux, just want spares that will fit right.

I'll check out the 'King' wheels though. Haven't heard of them before. Same company as King springs?

If I can sell the extra alloys I don't need, I'll probably still go that way, but I don't need my workshop full of unneeded wheels that have cost me a lot of loot.

I'm getting a pretty good trade on my current tyres. Trading in 8 (5 Cooper ATRs and 3 Hankook ATs) and getting 9 Cooper STs for $1,100.

Thanks
Norm C
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FollowupID: 411100   Submitted: Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 21:12

Member - Norm C (QLD) posted:

Found the King Wheels web site. Their steel wheels are made in China (not suggesting that is a problem). Only come in black, white or chrome. I'll probably give them a call on Monday as a back up in case my 'alloy strategy' doesn't come off.
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FollowupID: 411120   Submitted: Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 23:44

Member - Norm C (QLD) posted:

sheps are the tyres you are getting load rated at 112 as required for the Hilux? Having looked closer, I can not find one manufacturer with 112 rated 31 x 15s. They are all 109.

Happy enough to bend the rules a bit with size, but not load rating. That is a bit more of a safety issue.

The closest thing I can find is the Cooper ATR in 265/75/15, which is 30.6 inches and 112 load rated. I have these tyres at the moment in 265/70/15 which is 29.6 inches.
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FollowupID: 411121   Submitted: Saturday, Feb 25, 2006 at 00:06

AndrewW posted:

Norm,

I have an old model SR5, and did wonder about the load rating issue.

My plaque reads something like 112 load rating or x kgs per axle. Anyway there are websites I found that stated what each load rating equaled in kilograms, so I divided the x kgs by 2 (2 wheels on each axle), and it came up as a load rating of 104.

Therefore I could run either 30x9.5 or 31x10.5x15. There is a few posts about this by me on the Overlander forum too as there was a few of us wanting to find out what to do legally.

Hope this helps

Andrew
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FollowupID: 411148   Submitted: Saturday, Feb 25, 2006 at 10:43

Member - Norm C (QLD) posted:

Interesting Andrew. My plaque doesn't give a load rating. It just says the sum of the load capacities of tyres fitted to an axle or axle group is to be not less than 1255 KG front or 1600 KG rear. Referring to the Cooper website, 800 KG load (half of 1600) requires a 100 load rated tyre.

The manual however says 112/110S. I am guessing this means if your tyre is speed rated S, then 110 load rating is OK, otherwise 112 is required.

No one that I can find makes a 112 or 110S tyre in 31/10.5/15. The BFG is 109S and the Cooper ST is 109Q(below S). The nearest I can find is the Cooper ATR in 265/75/15 which is a bit smaller than the 31 and with a less aggressive tread, so likely to be not as good off road as the BFG or ST.

The local BOB Jane Sales Manager says 'mmm, thats interesting. I reckon the 109Q would be OK, but I can't be certain'.

Haven't spoken to the Toyota agent yet, but don't expect any real knowledge there.
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FollowupID: 411212   Submitted: Saturday, Feb 25, 2006 at 18:45

T.C posted:

Hi Norm,

I might be interested in one of your Alloy wheels if you go ahead with your buy, I live in Robina on the Gold Coast.

I have a interest in your set up Dual cab. As i have a Sr5 Dual cab with CarryBoy canopy, 265/70/r15 Cooper ATR tyres and looking to put a 12 volt fridge in back.

Cheers Tony
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FollowupID: 411274   Submitted: Saturday, Feb 25, 2006 at 23:26

Member - Norm C (QLD) posted:

Thanks Tony, PM'd you on the other forum
Norm C
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AnswerID: 157042   Submitted: Saturday, Feb 25, 2006 at 20:07

old mate replied:

Norm,

Sorry about the email adress thing, I now know why people type in their email address like that. thanks for the heads up, best of luck with selling youe wheels.

Apologies from the technologically challenged.
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FollowupID: 411271   Submitted: Saturday, Feb 25, 2006 at 23:15

Member - Norm C (QLD) posted:

Thanks for that OM. No worries and no harm done.
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AnswerID: 157063   Submitted: Saturday, Feb 25, 2006 at 21:38

sheps replied:

G'day again Norm & apologies for not responding earlier to your further questions, I have been out day.

As you are most likely aware, the original tyres supplied on the current SR5's are 255/70 R15, H/T's. When I enquired about replacements in A/T's, I also expressed an interest in a larger diameter. Before Bruce (Total Tyres) would make any recommendations I had to supply the load carrying capacity of the axles, which are front: 1255 kg & rear 1520kg.

He would not supply me with anything more than 15mm over standard diameter and at the same time checked the load rating in the Pirelli catalogue to ensure compliance with the above axle capacities.

We settled on 255/75 R15's as they are only 10mm over standard diameter and complied with the load rating.

Regrettably I am unable to substantiate the above advice but I also have no reason to doubt it. I shall call Pirelli on Monday to confirm this info prior to shelling out the balance of the purchase price.

Cheers,
Sheps
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FollowupID: 411272   Submitted: Saturday, Feb 25, 2006 at 23:25

Member - Norm C (QLD) posted:

Thanks Shep. I've followed this through in a few ways. There is a clear discrepancy between the manual and the tyre plackard on the vehicle. The best advice I can get is that all authorities use the plackard. Most 31/10.5/15s are 109 load rated which is well above this level (but a bit below the manual).

I know the 31s are a touch over legal (unless the National Standard is adopted, then they'll be well within it). But I'm prepared to take the risk to gain the bit of extra clearance. Just didn't want to break the rules on load rating as well, which is more of a safety issue.

Check out this site for tyre size comparisons. If the OEs and your planned tyres are made to the specified size, you are going up 25.5mm or 1 inch in diameter.

265/70/15s are 14mm bigger (and 10mm wider) than standard.

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

I think you will be OK.
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FollowupID: 411303   Submitted: Sunday, Feb 26, 2006 at 08:16

sheps posted:

Thanks Norm, I am familiar with the miata calculator site.

If you reread my reply, you will notice I have ordered 255/75's, not 265/70's. The former was the only option offered to me for the Scorpions and they are only 10mm bigger on diameter with no change in width.

I agree with you, bigger diameter tyres are the best way to gain axle clearance. However, I find the new lux's grearing suits my cruising speeds as a lot of it is around the 80-90 km/hr area with a load and/or trailer in tow, which I can achieve in 5th gear.

Taller gearing, by virtue of the larger rubber, may drop me too low in the torque band for comfortable 5th gear cruising with a load.

Thanks for your interest.

Rgds,
Sheps
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FollowupID: 411395   Submitted: Sunday, Feb 26, 2006 at 17:44

Member - Norm C (QLD) posted:

Hi sheps, not a big deal, but here is how I read the tyre sizes:
255/70/15 has a 738mm diameter
255/75/15 has a 763.5mm diameter
Difference from standard is 25.5mm

The 31 inch has a diameter of 787.4mm

The 255/75/15 almost splits the difference between the standard and 31 inch, so is a good compromise.

I understand your point on gearing and speedo. My speedo will be out about 7%, yours will be out about 3.5%.

I will need to use a bit more grunt to get going. But I do most of my cruising when towing the CT is 4th to avoid too much stress on the weaker 5th gear. Normally cruise between 90 and 95 when doing this. With the new wheels, I'll be reving a bit lower when doing this which is not a bad thing.

It is all a compromise and I guess we all try to find the best fit for our needs.

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