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Submitted: Monday, May 01, 2006 at 08:17

Vince NSW

My son will be working in the NSW snow fields this winter. Living in Jindabyne and driving my Fronteria up each day. At some stage I guess that the road conditions will require chains.
Question. If chains are required for cars, do you have to have them on a 4WD ?
If they are required, do you need a full set for all 4 wheels ?
Only ever been down to the high country in the summer so it’s all new to me.
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Vince

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AnswerID: 169964   Submitted: Monday, May 01, 2006 at 08:21

Member - John R (NSW) replied:

I'll stand to be corrected by those in the know, but from memory in NSW chains must be carried during the snow season. I think it is specified by dates, but I may be wrong.

You only need to carry 1 pair. There's no discrimination between 2wd or 4wd. I know I didn't have to carry chains at all on my motorcycle ;-)
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FollowupID: 425343   Submitted: Monday, May 01, 2006 at 09:20

Leroy posted:

I have a feeling that if you have a 4x4 in NSW it isn't mandatory to carry chains like in Vic. Like John said, you only need one pair. I'd just buy those V2 traction chains for around $199. You'll find that you won't have too fit them too often but if directed i tend to fit them anyway. This time last year there was a post on all this.

Leroy
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FollowupID: 425513   Submitted: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 01:07

geocacher (djcache) posted:

Chains must be carried on all vehicles in NSW & Victoria on the roads travelling to the alpine resorts.

Heavy fines apply to those who do not & you are sent off the hill to go and get some as well.

Fines also apply if you don't fit them where directed and there are infrequently times when they are required on 4wds also.

The rules are aimed at the lowest common denominator. Don't flame me if you think they are ridiculous.

In recent years VicRoads have found it's over confident & inexperienced drivers of softroaders who are disproportionately represented in the numbers of people involved in accidents where chains have not been fitted, according to one of their employees I was camped with last weekend.

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FollowupID: 425514   Submitted: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 01:11

geocacher (djcache) posted:

Oops. All 2wd vehicles that was meant to say, & all vehicles in Victoria.

4wd exemptions from fitting chains in Vic also have something to do with being able to lock the centre diff to try and exclude soft roaders from the exemption.

The way the rules are written in Vic at the moment is a nightmare.

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AnswerID: 169974   Submitted: Monday, May 01, 2006 at 09:28

Member - Mozza (NSW) replied:

Vince I agree with Leroy.
my response to the same question asked last year was this:

To answer your question.. a 4WD vehicle does not legally have to carry and/or use CHAINS in Kosiousko National Park (NSW).
The RTA are the governing body of the roads in the park.

keeping that in mind, my brother also worked down there for a season, was driving a 4wd hilux, but at some stages, the weather/snow was that bad (unsafe) enough to warrant putting them on (only lie 2 times during the season), guess it was a personal choice, some say you don't need em';, some say you do ?... very debatable topic.

also... this was discussed a couple of times around the snow season last year, so also check the archives if you want a bit more reading (and opinions !!!)
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AnswerID: 169975   Submitted: Monday, May 01, 2006 at 09:39

Member - John R (NSW) replied:

Here's a Link:

Driving in the Snow
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FollowupID: 425366   Submitted: Monday, May 01, 2006 at 13:37

jackablue posted:

Thats strange, Im sure when I was down there last I recall seeing a sign stateing that all cars & 4x4 vehicles must carry chains. I remember it as I couldn't beleive it. Now it appears via your link it seems to be an advisory sign.

I also remember enquiring about this to some people down that way, and basically they were saying that due to all the new 4x4s on the road, city people drive along at the same speed thinking they are right because they are in a 4x4.

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FollowupID: 425368   Submitted: Monday, May 01, 2006 at 14:16

Leroy posted:

Everyone should be caring/wearing chains. Just because people have an AWD doesn't mean you are that much more safer than an experienced 2wd driver.

Leroy
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AnswerID: 169984   Submitted: Monday, May 01, 2006 at 09:59

Member - Heidi L (NSW) replied:

At the moment in NSW 4wds/AWDs are not required to carry chains, but if directed they must be fitted.

I always carry chains, as the day they fit chains to 4wds is the day I want to be up there skiing not searching for a hire pair that fits.

4wd/awd is not going to stop you sliding once you hit ice.
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AnswerID: 169995   Submitted: Monday, May 01, 2006 at 11:21

Kiwi Kia replied:

If you need to have chains then why not put them on all four wheels ? You don't just have tread on two tyres do you ? It's grip you want so if you want to drive safely and use all four wheels get 4 sets.

Front chains give you drive and steering grip in the front but going down hill the back may want to come around and beat you to the bottom of the hill how ever you will have good front wheel braking going down hill.

Rear chains give you good grip going up hill but no extra grip for steering.

If you really need em then use on all four wheels - think safety.
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AnswerID: 170011   Submitted: Monday, May 01, 2006 at 12:43

MyGreenCruiser replied:

Whether they’re required or not, you’re talking about your sons’ safety. Get at minimum one set and put them on the front. Better still get 2 sets, front and rear. Even if it’s optional for 4WD’s if you feel more comfortable (i.e. Safe) with them, use them.
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FollowupID: 425364   Submitted: Monday, May 01, 2006 at 13:14

Vince NSW posted:

Thanks Every one. Checked the archives & the weight is div between Yes / No, 2 or 4 wheels, so I will get a set even if they never get used I can allways flog thme on the Trader section.
John R, thanks for that link, I have forwarded it to my son.
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AnswerID: 170087   Submitted: Monday, May 01, 2006 at 19:16

Member - Doug T (QLD) replied:

Thats a damn good question, not that I have any intension of going that far south this time of year, but i will add a question for the southern snowmen , what about if the 4x4 has front and rear lockers, it's going to have twice the traction of a normal 4x4, or do the chains stop the car from sliding over a cliff that your clothes would be out of fashion before you hit the bottom.

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FollowupID: 425479   Submitted: Monday, May 01, 2006 at 21:21

dieselup posted:

Chains stop the vehicle sliding Doug but in the snow common sense is the best form of traction
If it's really icy chains are the go on the 4by but if its fresh snow 4wd and good chunky tyres will usually be ok It's normally the AWDs and softroaders with road tyres that come unstuck , usually driving too fast and jumping on the brakes , a big no no
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FollowupID: 425481   Submitted: Monday, May 01, 2006 at 21:25

Member - Doug T (QLD) posted:

dieselup
Thanks mate for the info...Nah I think I'll stick to hot sand and sticky black soil thank you, not saying I like blacksoil , but it's not COLD

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AnswerID: 170227   Submitted: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 at 14:53

Member - Mozza (NSW) replied:

vince.. just thought id let you know that Ebay has some chains going for $30 a set.. pretty cheap... from Larry Adler's (good ski/equipment hire place in Sydney)
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