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my first diesel ute and new, what oil to use

Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 02, 2006 at 19:47

yd25ddti

my first diesel ute, have always used synthetic oil in petrol cars, but what oil to use in a new navara diesel 2.5 turbo.
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AnswerID: 186799   Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 02, 2006 at 20:33

Member - Stephen M (NSW) replied:

I'd use exactly what the nissan book says to use, especially being brand new as you say and for warranty issues. Regards Steve M

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FollowupID: 443930   Submitted: Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 08:57

Redback posted:

Yep excactly what i do, what the Land Rover manual recommends, can't go wrong then especially with any warrenty issues.

Baz.
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AnswerID: 186803   Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 02, 2006 at 20:37

Steve replied:

From what i have worked out...I had the same query some years back...Synthetic may be better in petrol units ...but needs to be changed at the same intervals in diesels...so appears to me to be just an expensive oil change ...
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FollowupID: 443963   Submitted: Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:59

Member - Jeff M (WA) posted:

Yeah I'm kinda with you on that one Steve. I have no doubt that the synthetic oil is probally better but it's still only going to be able to absorb so many nasties out of the engine before it becomes saturated meaning that you are still going to have to change it. Also if it's like a lot of diesels it may have in excess of 10L of oil for a change making synthetics extremely expensive!

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AnswerID: 186810   Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 02, 2006 at 20:59

Exploder replied:

Use a Oil that metes or exceeds the manufactures specification, It will be in the owners Manuel or just go to the dealership and ask what spec the oil needs to be.

If you what to use a syenitic do so

Be careful with warranty!!!

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Cheers.
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FollowupID: 443934   Submitted: Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 09:08

F4Phantom posted:

I once went to the subaru dealership to ask what oil for the WRX thinking it would need some fancy oil. They said they put magnatech in every engine of the range. They did not give a damn what I put in it. I asked a mechanic about magnatech, he hated it and said when he tried it out he thought it was no good. So I recon subaru just have a cheap deal with castrol or something. Asking nissan direct could be different or maybe the nissan web site.
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FollowupID: 444020   Submitted: Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 13:40

Brett_B posted:

Getting advice from dealers is hopeless, go direct to Nissan / Toyota/ Subaru ?

I sent an email to Toyota when I purchased the New Hilux D4D, I asked them what oil to use, I received an answer within 24Hrs, they advised the obvious - what oil is listed in the manual or better and quoted the C numbers etc, they did not advise any specific brand.

My main question to them was can I use full synthetic oil, their answer was yes - no problem, however run the engine in for the first 10k using mineral oil only then use full synthetic.

My point is, try go straight to the manufacture - forget the dealer - my experience is they don't give a hoot.
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AnswerID: 186817   Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 02, 2006 at 21:19

120scruiser (NSW) replied:

If you go to the owners manual and look up specifications it will give you the recommended oil for maximum fuel economy.
I think you will find it will be either a 10w/30 or a 10w/40 grade CI-4 oil.
Hope this helps
120scruiser
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AnswerID: 186819   Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 02, 2006 at 21:22

fisho64 replied:

Im not 100% but from memory you shouldnt run in a car on synthetic oil, besides the cost factor of close oil changes early on?
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AnswerID: 186821   Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 02, 2006 at 21:35

extfilm replied:

Hey,
I have an 03 hilux and an 06 Navara, have not had to do an oil change in the navara yet but with the hilux I would always go to toyota and get the filters and oil from toyota. That way when something went wrong I could produce the reciepts and say "well I bought the oil from you guys" then u can't go wrong.
My hilux did have a major gearbox issue during warranty for which I was ready for the argument but they never even questioned it and did the work required under warranty.
I will be purchasing oil from Nissan to do my services on this one. I have had the Navara for 6 weeks and already clocked 7000kms on it. I will be getting nissan oil as soon as I get to 10,000 k and doing the service myself...... It is about time they are recomending services every 10k. I once had a subaru I did not service for 87,000 kms I drove it around Australia and I was still able to drive it to the tip......... :)
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FollowupID: 443882   Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 02, 2006 at 23:29

fisho64 posted:

Arent most new cars done first time at 1000 k's? usually free by dealer along other checks?
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FollowupID: 443886   Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 02, 2006 at 23:55

extfilm posted:

I am sure all cars must have their first service at 1000k's but the sticker from the dealer after I had got it back from the first 1000k service the "next service" sticker says 10 000 k's. When I was a mechanic it was mandatory to bring the cars back every 5 000k's or 3 months....... Is really a load of ........... I have a diesel engine that has worked 5 days a week, minimum 8 hrs a day for the past 9 months without a service and it is going strong....... I approximate that to be about 125000kms in driving time......... the engine has done almost 500000 kms and still going strong........ I hope no one is squirming I booked it in for a service today....
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FollowupID: 443892   Submitted: Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 00:49

fisho64 posted:

no worries, only saw that you hadnt done a change on it yet!
I work on a boat on which both main engines (Deutz) have 62000 hrs with only a topend rebuild at 47000 (due again now) and two 8V71 gennies with 68000 hours on them (20000 since last major).
62000@even 50kmh = over 3 million k's if on the road!
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FollowupID: 443896   Submitted: Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 07:33

Leroy posted:

1000k service is more of an inspection these days. They don't drop the oil!

Leroy
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AnswerID: 186856   Submitted: Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 07:58

Member - Oldplodder (QLD) replied:

Being new, I would run a good mineral grade oil recommended by the book/dealeruntil the engine is run in.
Especially if the first 1000 or 5000 service has not yet been done.
Being a diesel it will take longer to run in than a petrol.
I know, every one says engines don't need running in any more.
I did the first 20,000k with dealer servicing and oil just in case of any problems, then switched to the oil I prefer to use.

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AnswerID: 186864   Submitted: Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 08:39

Leroy replied:

Talking to my Nissan mech. he said Nissan are very particular about specifying the 10w40 that they sell for both the 2.5l and 3.0l td engines. This my be due to all the problems they have had with the 3.0l!

Leroy
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AnswerID: 186919   Submitted: Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 13:21

feral replied:

Every major oil manufacturer has a website lube guide. Look it up and find the EXACT recommendation from your favourite oil company for your engine.

Once again this stops the my mate's uncle's grandma drovers dog's sister uses blah, blah oil.......

Also ensures the longevity of your engine and atleast if it goes bang you may have a case with the oil supplier. Try mounting a case with my mate's uncle.........!!

Cheers.
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AnswerID: 186972   Submitted: Thursday, Aug 03, 2006 at 19:16

yd25ddti replied:

Thanks to all those who replied, I had already approached my nissan dealer before posting my question and they could not tell me, just use castrol,I then asked them was it a low , mid or high ash content that confused them even more nor could they tell what viscosity to use. You the public have been more helpful as the ute has only 600 klm on it and I what to change to synthetic after 1500 klm even though the books first oil dump is at 5000 ks. But I was unsure whether to bed the motor in more with mineral oils first. The dealer could not even tell why the handbook recommends a cf oil and not to use a cg I thought a cg would be a better oil. sounds to me use a mineral oil for a bit longer then reconsider, synthetic.
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