Charity Organizations

Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 09, 2006 at 20:43
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Hi.

Every day of every week some one is after a donation.

We support Child flight the greatest thing ever!!, and various bush fire brigades.

Its very hard to say No, but if every one donates a little to charity ,hopefully enough gets around to the various organizations to keep them proceeding at the great work that they do.

cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Footloose - Wednesday, Aug 09, 2006 at 21:04

Wednesday, Aug 09, 2006 at 21:04
I support several charities with cash donations and the SIDS charity directly with time and materials. Like many others I am jaded by the administrative costs etc of charities, but I like to think that I'm giving a bit back to those less fortunate than I.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Wednesday, Aug 09, 2006 at 21:16

Wednesday, Aug 09, 2006 at 21:16
But i like to think that i"m giving a bit back to those less fortunate than I"

Thats what it's about , could not agree more!!.

Axle.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Aug 09, 2006 at 21:45

Wednesday, Aug 09, 2006 at 21:45
I'm like footy on this one, admin costs of close to 75% on some charities make it hard for me to think it viable.
we are still doing the Dylan Hartung Charity on OLimits.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Wednesday, Aug 09, 2006 at 22:07

Wednesday, Aug 09, 2006 at 22:07
Admin costs 75% how come? People do things for nothing don"t they??

Or am i dreaming again!.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Wednesday, Aug 09, 2006 at 22:55

Wednesday, Aug 09, 2006 at 22:55
Any charity needs offices, accounts and accountability among many other things. These cost money. Just cause you're a charity doesnt mean people are going to donate the things that they make money out of to you.
Many businesses aren't profitable enough to donate, just like individuals. So if a charity has wants and needs it has to have money. And guess where it comes from ?
Some charities have high overheads, others lower. The whole area is a minefield supported by unpaid workers and the public.
I don't know enough top be able to point any bones, but I'm sure that others could.
Despite this, overall they do a great job.

No such thing as a free lunch..:(((((((((
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Wednesday, Aug 09, 2006 at 23:14

Wednesday, Aug 09, 2006 at 23:14
I go by the "Think local, Act local" premise.

I have absolutely no time for the paid charity collectors you see at shopping centers. (Should really understand the meaning of the word...). As above, no clear breakdown of how the money is split. No disrespect, but some of those places are absolutely inhospitable and incapable of sustaining any population no matter how much money you throw at the problem. No rain, no biomatter, no viable soil, and an inhospitable climate.

Happily donate to Rotary/Lions/ChildFlight/RFDS and local hospital charities.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bware (Tweed Valley) - Wednesday, Aug 09, 2006 at 23:50

Wednesday, Aug 09, 2006 at 23:50
Gary, I think the saying is "Think global but act local". Whatever, I agree anyway. I help out local charities and give anyone a hand that needs it(not necesserily financial).

I have been cynical since I was about 16 with the donation collectors. I know for a fact that in the 80's collectors received 30% of takings and the rest was divided between the fund-raiser and the fund itself.

If everyone helped their neighbours, family, friends and did what they could for those less fortunate than themselves there would be world peace.

Of course, that would depend on politicians, lawyers, media moguls, financial institutions, car salesmen, etc, and don't forget us. It's not everyone elses fault.....
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Follow Up By: ro-dah-o (WA) - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 00:45

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 00:45
I agree, I will help out charities when I can, but the phone call at 7pm by a prominent charity asking for more donations gets up my goat. Right up there with the indian fella asking if I would like to upgrade the phone to super plan xyz, with free calls to botswana between 0430 and 0435...
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Reply By: Member - Rotord - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 01:34

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 01:34
Far too much agreement in this thread so I will start the arguement . Who is the most charitable , Mother Teresa or Bill Gates and Warren Buffet ?
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Follow Up By: Member - MUZBRY VIC) - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 07:30

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 07:30
Are you after %%%%% or cheque book size????
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Follow Up By: Robin - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 07:53

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 07:53
Warren Buffet has just autographed a book for us so he is the good guy , and while I don't know about the personal compasion side - there is no doubt that the billions he has just given away will do more to solve some specific issues than almost any other event I can think of, under the guidance of gates foundation.

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Follow Up By: Member - Omaroo (NSW) - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 08:28

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 08:28
I'm not sure, but I think that I just heard Bill Gates gave $650 million to a research foundation looking for cures to a number of ailments. If the money is enough for these to come off, then he will probably be known as one of the most, if not most charitable person of all time.
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Follow Up By: Robin - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 08:46

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 08:46
His foundation did, and this is where it came from -

"Warren Buffett donates $37 billion to charity ... a charity that has become famous for its work with HIV, malaria and tuberculosis in the Third World "
CNN

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Follow Up By: Member - MUZBRY VIC) - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 09:48

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 09:48
Gday Robin

What i was getting at is,,,are his $$$millions$$$ more than my $50.00 One gives what one can afford.

And i dont like being asked every second day for a donation just because i am in the phone book as a buisness...I dont need a new phone,or a financial advisor,i dont want a holiday at Bright or Warnambool or a bottle of wine with no label ,,i dont want a new computer.i dont want young people knocking on the door while i am trying to make a quid, trying to sell me a torch or a book light,,,i could go on ,but i wont
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Follow Up By: Robin - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 10:51

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 10:51
Hi Muzbry

I don't give what I can afford here.

I guess those organizations have data that shows that a few incentives
does work to bring in more cash.

The thing about Gates and Buffet is that whether they care or not, personally I wouldn't know, but the end result is that billions is going into the fight against the most debilitating diseases.

It's enough to make me feel guilty about copying windows instead of buying it.

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Reply By: donks1 - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 08:14

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 08:14
donated to red shield appeal once... that was fine but i didn't appreciate the letter in the mail a few weeks later thanking me for my "next donation" thats just rude. organisations like the salvos have plenty of cash and assetts. if you knew how much prime property they own in a place like sydney city, you would think twice about donating. think about what owning 1/2 of george st is worth as an assett and rental income. wish i had that rent payed to me every week
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Follow Up By: Member - Rotord - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 12:00

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 12:00
Your a hard man Donks . The George street property is in the right location for the inner city homeless and the very small rent for a hostel bed probably only covers costs . The Salvos were terrific in Vietnam with the support they gave to the troops as far forward as the fire support bases . I remember one combat assault that went into Diggers Rest , about four hours later tha Salvo comfort Landrover arrived having come through the jungle . A modern day Gunga Din .
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Follow Up By: donks1 - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 12:31

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 12:31
hi rotord.. i wasn't refering to the rent for hostel beds, rather the thousands of dollars per sq mtr for the office space per week
as for world vision and the like, current ads calling for "10000 new sponsers urgently needed" , just do the sums for a minute
thats an extra $3,600,000 per year, on top of sponsers already on the books.. many of the countries being " helped " could be bought for that sort of money and yet there seems to be no improvement on any great scale over the last 20 years or so.
remember that this is a world wide organisation. assume these ads are run in just 10 countries around the world. $36,000,000 EXTRA required each year. give me a break!!!!!
if they were running a company and showed such little improvement in their work, they would have been sacked years ago, or be prime minister...lol
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 09:52

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 09:52
Donks,

I never think twice about donating to the Salvo's, no matter how much cash you think they have.

They don't preach, they just do.

If I was in a less fortunate position than I am and found myself on the street, with nowhere to sleep and nowhere to eat, it is more than likely it would be the Salvo's that come to my aid.

I am not one to bother with overseas charities, or disasters.
But when it comes to the home patch, I'm a soft touch.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 10:39

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 10:39
I was in Woolworths a while ago. At the register in front of me were a young good looking couple with a very young baby, well presented, about late 20s, handed a Salvo's voucher to the value of $60. It just makes you wonder the circumstances of some of these people. If they were not working they would be able to get a benefit from the govt, yeah us i guess. It makes me wonder how much rorting of the system and false info to charities and the like. If the money is easy to get without and you can get enough without working, then why bother working.
As mentioned , the high costs of running some of the charities is almost the total income of the charity, all it is doing is supplying cushy jobs to family members and flashy cars and life styles. Overall the Salvos are a worthy cause, but i hesitate at many others.
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Follow Up By: marcus - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 16:54

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 16:54
I was talking to a guy who had lost everything in a house fire and claimed the Salvo's had arrived at the scene before the fire brigade.They offered him clothes,food and a place to stay.
Cheers Mark
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Reply By: donks1 - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 10:42

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 10:42
fair call but charities must remain charities.. owning a company like sanitarium and the gaining all the tax benefits associated with being a charity doesnt make sense. 300 million tax free dollars last year. they need to make up their mind....business..... or ......charity. 300 mil buys a lot of blankets
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Follow Up By: ZUKSCOOTERX90(QLD-MEMBER) - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 14:19

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 14:19
Religous groups are the same.
Charity starts at home & that is me & my own.
Cheer's bob.
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Follow Up By: Member - Michael J (SA) - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 14:48

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 14:48
I'm with you Bob,

Used to donate on a regular basis until I found that the 'charity' was double-dipping into my credit card.......do they all suffer because of one.....yep.

(Should qualify, still have one or two charities that are close to my heart but that is done because I want to, not because I am asked.)

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Reply By: Graeme - Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 16:11

Thursday, Aug 10, 2006 at 16:11
How many time have any of you been phoned up by what seems a reputable charity organisation, have sent as donation and later ended up regularly getting envelopes full of glossy (read expensive) promotion material sent out by (obviously) high pressure marketing organisations. My money goes to the Salvo guy or gal at the local shopping centre.
As I have worked in Africa with an international charity organisation I know where that money goes, and let me tell you it is not the the poor person in the country.
As such I give nothing to any international charity or NGO.
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