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100 series front suspension

Submitted: Saturday, Feb 03, 2007 at 10:01

Member - Robert A (QLD)

We have a 2005 100 series which has standard suspension.
Which means it is low in the front end. I have been told that you can wind up the front end a little to make it higher.
Has anyone heard about this. As I would like to try and raise the front end.
I don't want to change suspension as I will be trading her in at Christmas on the new V8 diesel model.
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AnswerID: 219433   Submitted: Saturday, Feb 03, 2007 at 10:16

RobAck replied:

Robert you can "wind up" the front if it is an IFS version. But doing this changes a range of geometry across all the front suspension components and can cause some surprises like increased and odd tyre wear, so be careful.

The process requires a specialist and without doubt a front end alignment and check of the wheel balances as part of the process. As well going too far is courting disaster. Very small steps by a specialist is the preferred way to go.

Just for information the new LC is now planned for released in October this year.

Regards

RobA
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FollowupID: 480133   Submitted: Sunday, Feb 04, 2007 at 03:49

Member - Robert A (QLD) posted:

Hi Rob

Thanks for the advise. It is IFS. I would not do this myself, I would have someone do it for me.
I cant wait to get the new LC.

Cheers
Rob
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AnswerID: 219436   Submitted: Saturday, Feb 03, 2007 at 11:11

fisho64 replied:

Dont do it, unless you are going to do it properly!
Spacers under the front diff and longer shocks are the only way to do it. A kit such as Macquarrie 4WD I think is the go.
Mine has 110000 on it and I didnt realize someone had wound the front up 50mm untill rh front outer CV pulled apart while stuck in sand. When dismantled you could plainly see the wear from the extra work the CV's were doing, and it has hardly been offroad.
$1300 later, plus a wheel alignment, and I am contemplating that I need to do the other side at some stage soon.
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FollowupID: 480134   Submitted: Sunday, Feb 04, 2007 at 03:54

Member - Robert A (QLD) posted:

Hi Fisho64.

I can see how this would happen. I think I may look into a suspension upgrade.
As we plan to do a trip around to top of Aus (Cairns, Cape York, Hells gate, Darwin, Broome and Kimberly.) Before we trade her in.
That was the only reason I wanted more ground clearance in the front. As these LC's are to low.

Cheers
Rob
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AnswerID: 219444   Submitted: Saturday, Feb 03, 2007 at 12:46

Carl & Kaz replied:

You can safely 'wind it up' by about 40-50mm without causing damage to CV joints. It is when people wind it up more that problems start to occur. The ARB policy is to check the 'droop' when the car is on a hoist, and measure again when it is resting on the ground. There need to be a difference of at least 85mm. Measurement taken from bottom of rim to underside of guard through centre of hub.

I would suggest you talk to a 4wd mechanical workshop for advice - but don't let them talk you into spending $$$ on replacement components. Tell 'em you just want it wound up a bit - no extras. And measure it before and after yourself to make sure it hasn't gone too up too much. It is great if it looks good, but it aint so good when you end up with a repair bill as mentioned above!!
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AnswerID: 219449   Submitted: Saturday, Feb 03, 2007 at 13:21

Crackles replied:

Robert what you can fit to solve your problem is a diff drop kit. It keeps steering geometry as standard & doesn't increase the wear on the CV's. Winding up the torsion bars may increase ground clearance but reduces the amount of wheel drop, effectively reducing wheel articulation. It's a relitively simple mod although it won't transfer to the new V8 as it's supposably going to be on coils.
Cheers Craig..............
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AnswerID: 219577   Submitted: Sunday, Feb 04, 2007 at 03:58

Member - Robert A (QLD) replied:

Thanks for all your input to my question.
I think I will have a chat to the Toyota dealer I bought the car off.
They have been helpful before and I will use them when I do the trade in.

I just wanted some info from other people with this experience before heading to Toyota. As sometime they try and sell you stuff you dont really need.

Cheers
Robert A
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FollowupID: 480310   Submitted: Sunday, Feb 04, 2007 at 19:23

fozzy posted:

Robert
have you thought of bigger tyre diameter -perhaps All terrain as well if you are doing a trip.
this will give you an instant 4050 mm height increase for your trip.
could sell tyres when you get home or transfer to new cruiser.
cheers fozzy
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FollowupID: 480311   Submitted: Sunday, Feb 04, 2007 at 19:24

fozzy posted:

Robert
meant to read 40-50 mm
sorry about that
cheers
fozzy
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AnswerID: 219642   Submitted: Sunday, Feb 04, 2007 at 11:58

Viking66 replied:

Hi, mine has been wound down I think, along with lowered springs on the back for road trips, I need to get it up to the highest safe height for an off road trip.

What is the standard ride height please or the maximum safe height ride height, from the centre of the hub to the guard. Mine currently has 22" aftermarket rims so no good measuring from the edge of the rims.

Mine (from the center to the guard) are 490mm in the front, and 505mm in the rear.

Thanks.
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FollowupID: 480308   Submitted: Sunday, Feb 04, 2007 at 19:20

fozzy posted:

viking
04 td gxl was 500mm at front and 550 mm at rear (measured centre of hub to bottom of guard)without any mods ie no bull bar
16 inch rims -now think 17 inch rims. Sahara had 17 inch back in 03.
cheers
fozzy

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FollowupID: 480322   Submitted: Sunday, Feb 04, 2007 at 20:04

Viking66 posted:

Thanks Fozzy, nice one.

Eric
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