Member - Brian H (QLD) posted:

Agreed. As I see all the rules up in The Cape area .................I'm being penalised for wanting to have a few beers while out enjoying myself ....... I have intentions of selling it.

Maybe a better policing of the current situation is wanted.

Brian

Member - Ian H (NSW) posted:

The local people have a terrible problem with the booze (as do some of us southerners) so let's help a little. It isn't that hard. After all it is us who made the booze available and gave them the problem. I wish the communities good luck with their efforts.

Alloy c/t posted:

Ian H , No one is saying or implying that the local populace does not have a problem , but by constant welfare and constant restriction we only increase the problem , giving and setting rules and laws that only apply to a minimal section of a populace that is purely race related does nothing to help ,we are supposedly ALL Australian after all , why should you or I have to forgo one of lifes pleasures to travel in what is ineffect OUR OWN COUNTRY.

Member - Ian H (NSW) posted:

I do agree with your comments but the rules don't mean you can't have a drink. Just that you are limited to how much is carried in the car at any one time. Do what I did and make 2 trips to the boozery.

Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) posted:

Ian,

I work in health in QLD and have for 20 years so I know the effects of it and I understand your comments however you should know that many years ago when I lived in Adelaide as a lad a gentleman named Albert Namatjira when to bat BIG TIME for the right of indigenous Australians to drink and be supplied alcohol. It was generally against the wishes of the then community but the indigenous peoples won the right to drink (as they should) however we did not give them that right - they fought for it and won so please do not blame US for giving it to them... Us oldies would remember the issue of the day....,

Grrr!!!

Trevor R (QLD) posted:

"Do what I did and make 2 trips to the boozery."

That makes sense if you are camped at Somerset doesn't it? It seems ludicrious that I as a traveller am being penalised because a local can't tolerate or will abuse the right to consume a few beers and still act responsibly whilst doing so. We have alcoholics in every town and suburb in Australia so why limit the carriage in this area and not the rest of this country? It seems to me someone making the rules up there has a vested intrest in the hotel establishments in that area.

It downright stinks, but I still would not break the law and carry more than six lights but I would consider travelling elsewhere (as will many others).
Regards, Trevor.

tessa_51 posted:

That would leave the place a litle less crowded and more attractive to people like me who can survive a holiday without having to "get on the grog"
tessa

Member - Brian H (QLD) posted:

If I elect to have a few beers while out camping THAT is my choice I can and have done plenty of trips without beer etc BUT I don't like being told what I can and cannot have or take ................... OH of course I can buy it there at BULLS&IT prices and THAT is what I dislike the most.

If I do a trip I will buy what I figure I will have over a month trip and take that with me if possible.

If you class having a few beers as "getting on the grog" I'm not sure what you would class a real session as.

If they are the rules so be it I will not break them .......... but just as happy not to go there plenty of other places to go and relax and get on the grog as you put it.

Look out SA i'm coming to "get on the grog" :)

Brian

Alloy c/t posted:

Tessa 51 ,if you call having a couple of beers ,or a bottle of red / chard whatever, while sitting around the campfire or watching the sunset "getting on the grog " you are just a small tiny minded bigot.

On Patrol (Aust.) posted:

pepper2
Easy to miss.

Pormpuraaw is a remote area SW of Coen or NW of Hann River on the west coast of CYP and is not on the "Normal" route north to the tip.

As such it will not affect a large percentage of travellers to the top.

www.pormpuraaw.qld.gov.au/

Colin.

D-Jack posted:

Sandman, I don't know about up north, but in Yalata at least the Police/other authorities have the power to search any containers/vessel within a vehicle which may be used to store liquor. They don't need probable cause (or reasonable cause to suspect as in SA). I would imagine the powers would be similar or greater in northern Aboriginal communities. Be careful. I'm also expecting you're going to get a lot of replies very soon about your rebellious comments!

Steve from Top End Explorer Tours posted:

Hey Sand man

Come to Jabiru and I will show you a holing yard with about 50+ cars in it, they thought the way you do, only thing now is there walking.

Cheers Steve.

donks1 posted:

good luck sand man

there was a post on here last year about someone whinging and bitching beacause they had been charged with carrying too much grog. result, an unplanned trip north and $35,000 fine
they admitted that they knew the rules and still ignored them... no sympathy from me.
we did the cape last year, stuck to the rules, drank plenty off piss and were fine. sure it was $50.00 a carton, but we enjoyed ourselves, did it the right way and avoided the fine. if you think you won't get checked you're a gambling man.
if you headup that way and get caught, don't complain on this site....you've been warned

donks

Sand Man (SA) posted:

Steve,

From memory, I would have had about a half dozen bottles of red in the vehicle when I passed through Jabiru. I wasn't advertising the fact, but I also wasn't aware that I shouldn't carry my beverages through the township.

What was I supposed to do?....Throw them away?......Give them to the locals?

Commonsense doesn't prevail in such "democracies".

Oh and by the way, I have witnessed situations where even 6 lights are too much for some people. Drop in to the Hotel at Daly River sometime and view the notices stuck on the fridge door behind the bar.

It doen't matter if the locals knock me on the head and pinch my supply of booze, or my wallet to buy their own. If they want to drink, or sniff petrol, they'll find a way.

Hey!.....Sniff petrol......that starts another debate doesn't it?
Where some of us unfortunate travellers cannot venture into parts unknown, because the local populance has banned petrol engined vehicles.

Get my drift?

Steve from Top End Explorer Tours posted:

These cars were confiscated from the Arnhemland border, There just stored in Jabiru until auction.

You can however have alcohol in Jabiru, You can only get take away from the Golf club but you must be a member, yes if they pay there joining fee and get voted in a black fella can A drink there and B buy takeaway.

There are restrictions on the amount eg: 1 Carton per person per day.

If you think you can get away with it go for it .

Just read my response to your post below first, My info is free.

Steve.

Steve from Top End Explorer Tours posted:

Hey Sand man

It seams you don't quite understand what happens when caught.

It's not a notice and see you in court, They take you car and if your towing a trailer they take that and if you have a boat they take that to.

They take it there and then, no excuses no argument its gone, It doesn't matter how good your lawyer is there is a 95% chance you wont get it back.

So I bid you good luck because with that attitude you will need it, I've also seen them check the crossing to Arnhemland for 30 consecutive days, They were on the caught you side as well.

Steve.

Love The Outback posted:

Hi Steve,
I just don't understand, how come that on our trip to Arnhem Land (about 200km "outside Australia") we found tops from Coopers beer??? We are sure, it wasn't brought there by other travellers........we have seen the drinkers as well................
Obviously these restrictions don't work.
We don't bring an alcohol at all. I'm allergic to it. If I drink little, have problem with horrible headache from swollen sinus. But I would never restrict other people.

God gave us humans brain, so why some people can use it, and some not ???
Dana

Steve from Top End Explorer Tours posted:

I'm not saying they don't, but I've never seen a black fella drink Coopers.

I have however seen a white fella drink beer in Arnhemland.

No system is perfect, all I was pointing out was if ya get caught you walk away with little more than your shirt.

Cheers Steve.

Love The Outback posted:

Yes Steve, you definitely RIGHT about that!, and bad luck to the brainless..........
Dana

Steve from Top End Explorer Tours posted:

My only advice would be to ring the Police at the community and ask what the protocol is.

Cheers Steve.

Ford Rodeo posted:

The Bamaga community is part of the Northern Peninsula Area (NPA) which also includes the communities of Injinoo, Seisia, New Mapoon and Umagico.
Bamaga is subject to the NPA alcohol restrictions as follows:
Restricted Area - the entire Bamaga community area.
Liquor Restrictions
The possession of liquor in the restricted area is up to
1 carton (30 x 375ml cans) of beer and 2 litres of wine (not fortified)
OR
1 carton (24 x 375ml cans) of premixed spirits (5.5% alc/vol) and 2 litres of wine (not fortified)
This limit applies equally to a person and to a vehicle, boat or aircraft.
Meaning that a car, plane or boat can only have two litres of wine (not fortified) and either one carton of beer or one carton of premixed spirits in it, regardless of the number of people on board.
Liquor may be consumed at the Bamaga Tavern and the Resort Bamaga.

Trevor R (QLD) posted:

V8,

I was wondering this also, as well as who gets the fine and if this rule for one could apply to someone's private land. You know there is plenty of station owners who allow travelers on their property, if they were to set up a similar "law" could they, then go out and enforce it to their financial benefit??? and keep the grog to boot.

I wonder how effective these "laws" created for "the people's land" would hold up under the scrutiny of a QC? Surely this same example could be applied to a wider base area if the population saw fit to exercise the same powers....That's if we really are being treated equally?

Trevor.

Steve from Top End Explorer Tours posted:

I fond this on the NT liquor commission site, I don't think the law has changed that much since and if it has it would be harsher.

kirra.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AboriginalLB/1985/61.html - 28k -

Cheers Steve.

Steve from Top End Explorer Tours posted:

Try this

kirra.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AboriginalLB/1985/61.html

Steve from Top End Explorer Tours posted:

or this

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