Member - Clive G (NZ) posted:

greydemon
Don't believe the B/S about 1080 killing only foreign pests. It's a story put out by Govt to keep greenies off their back. It's used a lot here in NZ in the bush, I have been in the bush after a 1080 drop and it's totaly silent, not a living thing, walking or flying. It's a shocking way to die as well. But so far there is nothing as cheap or effective to be had. The control boards say no matter about the total kill off as the native animals and birds restock the area from outside. But so do the pest animals. Not very bright some of these people.
CliveG NZ.

Richard Kovac posted:

Clive check out site link Site Link

Dog (10 kg) 1/12 or 510 gms
Cat (2 kg) 1/9 or 660 gms
Man (70 kg) 6 - 20
Eastern quoll (1.2 kg) 2/3 or 3900 gmsg
Tasmanian devil (5 kg) 3
Eagle (4 kg) 5

disco driver posted:

Richard,
Thanks for the link, every one should read it.
It would have been better if you had used Table 1 from that site, the info in table2 is meaningless unless you read the Paper on the link first as Table 2 refers to the number of pademelons one must eat to have a good chance of dying.

The techniques used for animal baiting in WA (which is where Maverick is commenting on) are quite different to those used in Tas and Vic.

Rabbits are baited with oats that have been vacuum impregnated with a measured amount of 1080, each oat grain contains enough 1080 to kill 2-3 rabbits.Most birds cannot eat sufficient oats to uptake enough poison to kill them.

Wild dogs and foxes are baited with a dried meat bait roughly 1.25 inch cube with just enough 1080 injected to kill 1-2 dogs.

This bait is deliberately too large for the small carnivores (Quolls etc) to eat sufficient to ingest a lethal dose of 1080,given their high tolerance to this poison.

Hope this clears up some misconceptions about 1080 baiting especially in WAas distinct from other states and countries ie NZ.

Just in case anyone wants to know, I spent the last 22 years working with Dept of Agriculture and Agriculture Protection Board doing Plant and Animal control.

Disco.

obee posted:

according to what I read, 1080 is present in native Australian flora and Australian fauna have to be immune or go extinct. Not surprised it kills NZ fauna.

I heard this recently, "Evolution is the exception, extinction is the rule". I reckon the human species is going to follow the rule the way we are going.

Owen the optimist

Richard W (NSW) posted:

The Georgina Wattle in the Simpson smells of 1080 particularly when in flower. It contains the same compound, sodium fluroacetate, as the poison.

disco driver posted:

obee,
"According to what I read 1080 is present in native Australian flora and Australian fauna have to be immune or go extinct."

Only partly correct; SOME Australian flora contain 1080, mainly "Oxylobium" and "Gastrolobium" spp. They're commonly known as Poison Bush or Poison Plants.
Most spp are in WA with a few in NT and PNG.

Immunity is also incorrect, technically it is an increased tolerance brought about by continual exposure to and grazing of these plants.
Western Australian native fauna generally have much higher tolerance to 1080 than the same species in other states.

Hope this helps in the discussion

Disco.

Member - Davoe (Nullagine) posted:

Its i not a fix all but In wa it is ery effective. i understand most animal have little immunity in Tassie for instnce as well as Probably NZ coz it doesnt occur there much. Unfortunatly cats arenot attractedto the standard bait however a cat bait was trailled at Lorna Glen Station - Anyone know how that went? I gather initial trials were encouraging