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Submitted: Sunday, Jun 03, 2007 at 14:02

kinnean

Hi All

I'm sure this has already been covered but I'm having some trouble finding out.
I have installed a dual battery system in my Prado and am only running a Waeco CF80 off the second battery. The problem is the battery I have installed keeps failing. It is not a deep cycle battery but I was told it should still work ok. It is a N70ZZ4WD century battery. This battery only lasted about 30 hours! I installed the dual battery system as per manufacturers instructions. Please help.
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AnswerID: 244360   Submitted: Sunday, Jun 03, 2007 at 14:09

Rock Ape replied:

When you say failing, do you mean it has carked it or is it just flat.

If it is flat then being a motor start battery I am not surprised.

please add more info.

The Ape
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FollowupID: 505319   Submitted: Sunday, Jun 03, 2007 at 14:22

kinnean posted:

Appears to be carking it. Drove for 3 hours after failing and still showing only 11volts. I have tested to check isolation solenoid is ok by removing battery and it is all good.
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AnswerID: 244363   Submitted: Sunday, Jun 03, 2007 at 14:15

kinnean replied:

Appears to be carking in. Drove for 3 hours after failing and still showing only 11volts. I have tested to check isolation solenoid is ok by removing battery and it is all good.
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FollowupID: 505325   Submitted: Sunday, Jun 03, 2007 at 15:00

Rock Ape posted:

Slip back to the company you bought it off and they will do a test on the battery, charge/load test, if it is crook they will replace it. Most of the suppliers are used to failed battery's and don't bat an eyelid at replacement.

Many years ago I did an escort job to Weipa for 3 long loads, that even Toots Holizmer said we would not get through. In the end I was starting all the primemovers because their battrey's had failed, due to corrugations.

Battery's can be 5yrs old or 1hr old and fail.

Have a good one,
The Ape

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AnswerID: 244364   Submitted: Sunday, Jun 03, 2007 at 14:29

Member - Phil G (SA) replied:

Sounds like its not getting any charge. When the motor is running, what is the voltage of the aux battery??? If its still only 11v, your isolator is not working.
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FollowupID: 505321   Submitted: Sunday, Jun 03, 2007 at 14:34

kinnean posted:

It is showing only 11volts whilst battery connected and solenoid on. I have tested to check isolation solenoid is ok by removing battery and it is showing about 14 volts so the isolator is working fine. Appears to be the battery pulling the volts down.
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AnswerID: 244369   Submitted: Sunday, Jun 03, 2007 at 14:45

barney rubble replied:

Gday mate i had the same fault with cf80 in the gq patrol which ive since replaced with gu when swapping dual battery system elecy upgraded solenoid type and wiring in/out plus shortened lead from t plug to fridge
only using same n70 battery fridge works a treat in fact enjoying icy cold one from it now hope this helps cheers
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AnswerID: 244377   Submitted: Sunday, Jun 03, 2007 at 15:20

Member - Doug T (W.A) replied:

You need to get one of these for the second battery, They are not cheap, but they will do the job you ask of it,just place the cursor on the Yellow section, read it then click it
www.optimabatteries.com.au/

My Yellow runs Car Audio , HF Codan , 31ltr Waeco fridge , 2x55 watt beacons, 2x100w roof mount driving lights, Invertor , 2 GPS units, 27mhz CB , UHF CB , sometimes it runs all that at once , and has been for 18 months '

The other problem you just could have is the Alternator might be one the way or just can't cope, get a bigger one,

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AnswerID: 244401   Submitted: Sunday, Jun 03, 2007 at 17:07

Gerhardp1 replied:

If you are using a standard start battery for a fridge, you will ruin the battery in no time at all if you flatten it. It only takes once to ruin it - it then won't ever accept a charge again.

You need a deep cycle battery, preferably an AGM.
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AnswerID: 244403   Submitted: Sunday, Jun 03, 2007 at 17:15

Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators replied:

Hi Kinnean

How good is the earth connection ?

With the engine running and solenoid engaged you should have 13 to 14 volts on the terminals of the battery even if the battery is dead.

You may have a simple earth or wiring problem.

Test each joint and find where you loose either earth or the power from the isolator.

I have heard of people forgetting to earth the auxilliary battery to the body.

Regards

Derek.

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FollowupID: 505402   Submitted: Sunday, Jun 03, 2007 at 19:05

kinnean posted:

Cheers, I think it is ok, straight to main body but I'll double check.
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FollowupID: 505486   Submitted: Sunday, Jun 03, 2007 at 21:52

Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators posted:

Remember that the CF-80 is quite heavy on power.

Please let me know about the earths and if you find a bad connection.

I just sold my CF-80 on ebay. Had it for 5 years and was great except for the 60 amps per day it required. I now use my own fridge for obvious reasons and at only 30 amps per day.

Regards

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AnswerID: 244462   Submitted: Sunday, Jun 03, 2007 at 19:37

obee replied:

when the motor is running and the isolater is switched to connect, you should be getting 13.8 volts at the ausillary battery regardless of condition. If not then check all the connections and wonder if there is a fault in the isolater. The points therein may not be contacting sufficiently or if the isolater is non mechanical the mosfets or capacitors may have blown.

Disconnect the battery (auxillary) and see if you get same voltages both sides of the isolater.

Like the man says, if the battery has been run down to flat then likely it will only hold 30% of its nominal charge.

Mate of mine let his boat batteries go flat and blamed the people who fitted the motor. He never looked at them for a year. I still cant convince him to keep the voltage up in those seldom used batteries.

Owen
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