New Stanley Flask - Another dud product ?

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The local Rays got in a new unboxed version of Stanleys "Char vac"
technology stainless steel vacuum flask in 1.9 lt size recently.

Only $45, whereas usually $70+ IN THIS SIZE.

I follow camping gear performance to closely according to
my wife and have tested many flasks over the years as its
hard to get independant data on them.

As soon as I saw the new model , I noted that it had a large label
claiming that it keeps water hot for 26 hours instead of 12 hours
seen on similar products.

Had to have one so yesterday got it and immediately began
testing it using two others models for comparison.

Know the testing tricks, and recorded all three at 98c about
10 minutes after pre-warming and filling up to rule out minor issues
and as soon as I handled them at 10 minutes I had a bad feeling.

Just holding it on the outside, you could feel it was warmer
the two others, and if you can feel its warm then heat is pouring out.

Anyway - started again after through examination of unit
for mechanical defects etc, and left units in a cold
wind free environment to get accurate results.

RESULTS
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A/ $9 1lt stainless steel from $2 shop
B/ $15 1.8 lt glass thermos brand
C/ New model 1.9lt "char vac " Stanley stainless steel

After 10 Mins @ Ambient 20c

A= 99c B=98c C=99C

After 4 hours - Ambient 10c

A= 82c B=82c C=75c

After 10 hours - Ambient 9c

A= 64 B=65 C=47c

Coffee is considered hot @ 60c (Macdonalds use this setting on
coffee machines) , so from the above results the Stanley could not
keep water hot for even 10 hours let alone 26 hrs.

In fact the Stanley performs closer to adds on its website
claiming 12 hours, and no where close to its big label as
affixed to the outside case.

Maybe this model was tested in Birdsville this summer ?

Quite disappointed here as I keep breaking glass ones ,
and took it back to Rays for a refund.

As product was not faulty they had to call manager down to approve
refund and ( this is for real) , as she came to counter she
had empty coffee cup in hand , and expecting to be questioned
I had left the allegedly hot water in the flask as backup.
She listened , quickly tested the water, and backed up by receipt
less than a day old she quickly refunded the cash and said they have
had no feedback on this product and that head office would be
interested.
With tests and precuations taken its unlikely, but this unit could
have some weird fault and we agreed on a followup in 2 weeks.

See Photo - last one under members pic, specs are to RHS of words "Our Promise"

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Reply By: Member - Banjo (WA) - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 12:07

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 12:07
Robin

I bought a Stanley stainless steel flask many years ago.

After a few uses it has become an ornament in the shed.

The performance was disappointing so it's back to the glass type, even though they aren't as robust.

So, it seems that nothing has changed.

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Reply By: Member - jdwynn (SA) - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 12:23

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 12:23
This is a hot topic for me Robin.

We bought our first S/Steel 'beverage bottle' about 10 yrs ago (Stanley). Replaced in less than a month cos it didn't hold the heat. Then bought Thermos brand 2L (or 1.8?) S/S - it was great, held heat well. Then left at it a compsite in January this year in tassie - went back but it was gone (bugger!!). Bought a cheapie, first we could find cos we needed it (Smash brand) - you guessed it - doesnt hold heat.

Anyway, last week found shops still sell Thermos brand 2l S/S so bought it - still great - wrapped despite the fact it cost around $100.

I cant say Thermos brand S/S better than glass in holding heat but I kept breaking glass ones. Still I like my cuppa's hot.

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Reply By: Member - Bruce and Anne - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 12:38

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 12:38
Good topic Robin, as I was about to go buy one. So is there one between the glass ones and the $100 Thermo one that works?
Cheers Bruce.
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Reply By: Footloose - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 12:39

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 12:39
Now you have me worried. I'm a flask smasher, did 3 on my last trip. Just bought a Stanley 1 litre, they said it was unbreakable and I accidently knocked it off the counter before buying...oops.
It survived.
But I note it says hot...12 hours.
Hmm...another test needed?
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 12:56

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 12:56
Hi Guys (JD, Bruce ,Footloose )

Your replies essentially cover the same issue , that of SS flask performance.

Inherrently SS flasks aren't as good because these things primarily rely on
reflectance between vacuum, and SS surface just can't compare with silver
deposited onto glass which gives a mirror finish.

I was skeptical up front because outside of Stanley is painted green hence loosing
one of its 3 reflecting surfaces to start with.

I always wanted to check one because unlike almost all that use vacuum it has
charcoal insulator as well which stops dents which cause cause two surfaces to
short and short out heat.

Despite my gut feel I went with unit because of its clearly labelled performance
claim, and sort of expected I would take it back, but was surprised that it could
not match $9 unit, which because of its size has large surface area/volumne to loose heat from.

I need one so that when waking up camping I can get a quick cup without
boiling the billy - and only 3 of 15 I have tested do that in 10c overnight.

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Reply By: Member -Signman - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 13:13

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 13:13
Now that IS the type of topic that should be encouraged on this Forum.
Good work Robin !!!
But I guess some will question whether your testing criteria is NATA approved??
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 13:41

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 13:41
Thanks , Oh well , my lab glass thermometers were Signman.

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Reply By: That Troopy Bloke (SA) - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 13:24

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 13:24
I bought a cheapie chinese 1 litre SS flask about 15 years ago, and it has been fantastic, water still hot enough for a coffee after 24 hours. But after 15 years of being knocked around in the 4wd and the boat, it was looking a little worse for wear, covered in dents and scrapes.
So I went and bought another cheapie. Lid failed on the second use, so I binned it.
Then I bought a Stanley 1 litre jobby. Useless. Struggles to keep water hot for 10 hours.
So now I've gone back to my old faithful.
The battle scars just add 'character'. At least it works:)

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Reply By: That Troopy Bloke (SA) - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 13:27

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 13:27
I bought a cheapie chinese 1 litre SS flask about 15 years ago, and it has been fantastic, water still hot enough for a coffee after 24 hours. But after 15 years of being knocked around in the 4wd and the boat, it was looking a little worse for wear, covered in dents and scrapes.
So I went and bought another cheapie. Lid failed on the second use, so I binned it.
Then I bought a Stanley 1 litre jobby. Useless. Struggles to keep water hot for 10 hours.
So now I've gone back to my old faithful.
The battle scars just add 'character'. At least it works:)

Cheers
Glenn
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Follow Up By: That Troopy Bloke (SA) - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 13:30

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 13:30
Sorry about the double post, internet connection dropped out while I was posting
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Reply By: Member - Tim - Stratford (VIC) - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 14:00

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 14:00
Robin,

We got an Aladdin-Stanley 2 litre about 8 years ago - I like others, believed the hype - thermos was bloody useless. It would make a hot brew for about 4 hours.

As we bought it while away I went to the web site and researched it a bit. In the end I recieved an answer from Stanley and posted it back to them. I got a replacement one and it hasn't failed yet - about 7 years old. They state it has a lifetime guarantee - so I used it.

The replacement one has been brilliant. Keeps water hot enough for a brew for at least 18 hrs.

It may have been the trick to send it back to Stanley - with a whinging customer they may test the thermos and send out a 'proven' one....

Happy the second time around.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 14:33

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 14:33
Happy you got a good result Tim , might be interesting to re-check it,
Fill up, leave outside overnight , and do taste check next morning.

Without instruments, if you sip and your reaction is "Thats hot, but I can drink it "
then its order of 60c

Wish I had one that could do the job 18hrs later.

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Reply By: Steve63 - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 14:30

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 14:30
Yep, we ditched our Stanley some time ago. It was useless from day one. We now use Vango flasks. The 450ml one is still hot enough for coffee after 18 hours. On another trip was sill hot even though -5 overnight. That is good enough for me. $39 +p&p from Melbourne for the 1l. The older 450ml was $70. Figure that out.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 19:41

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 19:41
I think Steve that this illustrates the problem of standards and measurements.

The Vango claims only 8 hours of heat retention yet a similar Camping Gaz Isotherm claims up to 30 hr.

Unless one can do something to compare things under similar conditions then results don't mean very much.

Never seen a choice or similar tests and my own show wild variations from what one would think

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Reply By: Member - barbara M (NSW) - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 14:46

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 14:46
Hi Robin.
We have stainless steel one brought from Big W ten years ago and it is fantastic keeps water hot for ages it was about $20 went to check the brand but couldn't find it but I know they still sell it, so buying the dearest doesnt always work. I know a man who sent 2 back to stanley before he got one to work when he contacted them he told them about my cheaper one working fine. But they did send him 2 new ones so I suppose that is something Barb
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 16:37

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 16:37
Interesting Barbara , your the second in this thread to have talked about a better Stanley product the next time around.

Makes you wonder about the big "Our Promise" written on label on the side of mine.

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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 16:15

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 16:15
To generalise, the ones with a very narrow opening seem to hold heat much better than the ones with a wide opening and often a push button top.

We have a 1.8L $100 "Nissan" model thermos that has been very good. Anything with a wide opening has been bad.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 16:34

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 16:34
Wait till you try there cars Phil !

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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 23:06

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 23:06
Hehe, as you know, its nothing to do with the cars. But we have an Xtrail, two Pulsars and a Skyline in the family - so Toyotas are outnumbered!
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Reply By: Member - Ian W (NSW) - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 16:35

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 16:35
Thank You Robin!

Years and years and years ago - you get the idea. I splurged out on a Stainless Stanley Thermos Flask which I really could not afford cause at the time I was working out in the paddocks of a night - Sowing wheat and all that stuff.

The results were abysmal, certainly no better, perhaps even worse than the other guys glass flasks.

Because I had a flash Stanley there was no way I could admit to its shortcomings. The thing became a bloody albatross around my neck, I was never quite sure if it was the flask or if I was expecting too much. The only way I got satisfaction was by upping the shot of UP rum added to the coffee.

Possibly the worst part was that it was unbreakable - I tried bloody hard enough.

I don't know what happened to the thing I just noticed at some time that I no longer had it. Must confess that there was no sleep lost.

I'm thinking that these flasks have their own urban myth about keeping tea/coffee hot for extended periods of time. I do know that if at any time I cast doubts on the performance/value I was immediately howled down, from memory it was usually by someone whose mate/brother/sisters boyfriend had one.

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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 17:13

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 17:13
Thermos flasks !!!! Good grief, how old are you lot :))))))
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 17:38

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 17:38
Is ok - when I'm a Gramps I'll get a hot water bottle to!

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Follow Up By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 17:41

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 17:41
LOL I can just picture you lot wrapped up in your beanies, scarves, ear muffs and carrying your thermos flasks and hot water bottles hahahahaha
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Reply By: Muzzgit [WA] - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 17:28

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 17:28
I know it kind of defeats the purpose but after the having same problems with thermos flasks we now use one of those plug into the cig lighter water heaters and bugger the flask.
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Reply By: Markymark - Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 22:40

Monday, Jun 04, 2007 at 22:40
I have the Target branded 1 litre stainless steel thermos, 2 of them in fact, both given as presents probably 10 years ago. I've never tested them like you Robin but I've always been surprised at how well they hold the heat. If I lost both tomorrow I would go to Target and buy the same ones. No idea what they're worth but I imagine being Target they would be quite reasonable.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 08:05

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 08:05
Hi Marty

Gee targets a store that has changed , not sure if you'd even get one there any more !

Years ago I use to get many car things there , but they dumped auto section.

Same with decent white business shirts . Hardly go there any more.

Still I guess flasks are probably kitchen ware.

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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 01:38

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 01:38
Geez Robin,

This post has now got me worried.

I have a Thermos® brand Stainless Steel flask and it's a beauty.

I can't compare the insulating properties between the glass and SS variety, but mine still contains "hot" water after 24 hours.

I use ours almost exclusively when driving because I am a little "impatient" and hate spending the time heating water during the day for that midday cuppa.
I usually start off driving with a ready made coffee in an insulated "cup" in the centre console and top up on the go from the Thermos flask during the day.

I have had it for a few years and can't remember how much I paid for it, but now think I'll go out and insure it:-)
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 08:00

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 08:00
Hi Sand Man
You have me worried to - you sound just like me !

Another reason for flask here is that often in convoy and when stop for cuppa
its made in 30 secs so I can go up/down the line saying hellow to everyone
while they boil there billy's etc.

A couple now have reported Thermos brand ss as ok , but I have vague memory , and its is vague, that thermos claimed 14 hrs heat retention - but like so many , just what that means is "Undefined".

Still I guess what really counts is that one is happy with product as they use it .

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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 17:19

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 17:19
Robin,

OOPS!

I am home as I read this and went to the cupboard to see if I could find further information.

It's not a Thermos® brand at all, but an obviously cheaper "Jackeroo" brand from K-mart. 1 litre capacity.

This may be even better for your "project" as it would be considerably cheaper to purchase. Anyway I can state that the water is still "hot" 24 hours later, but whether I would still use it for a cuppa, I can't say I have tried.

I would perform a test for you but can't find a bloody thermometer. We have a "vacola" somewhere, but it's hiding at present.
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Reply By: Axel [ the real one ] - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 17:46

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 17:46
Saw a thing in Dicky Smith the other day which was an insulated lidded cup which also came with a connection to plug into the ciggy lighter to keep contents hot , had variable settings for temp ,looked as if would hold about 500ml ,twas cheap to $9.95.
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 18:02

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 18:02
cant comment on any scientific testing but when working for "the survey" the Girls had Thrmos branded SS flasks and it was my job at around 7 am to fill them for the day. There was usually plenty left and I would use the lefovers at 6.30am next morning for a sponge bath (after walking into the goldfields bush a suitable distance) and often I had to wave the flannel to cool it sufficiently - Thats 24 hrs at max 18 and below freezing at night
.............. I now have a thermos thermos
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 19:03

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 19:03
No need to be scientific Davoe , just fill her up to-night , leave outside and see if water is to hot to drink tomorrow morning.

If it is - we can work out a deal !

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Reply By: lc_120man - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 16:05

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 16:05
I bought one 1.8 Liter Stanley flask at rays as well...
Better test it tonight... I got 1.8L Aladdin flask as well which I thought wasn't good enough (hence I bought the Stanley one)... Better test both of them... Now all I need is thermometer... bummer...
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 16:25

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 16:25
No Issue Lc

Just fill'em up , stick'em outside tonight , and see if you can drink the water
straight tomorrow morning.

If you can - its return time !

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Reply By: Member - Howard (ACT) - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 22:08

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 22:08
as another got have a morning coffee addict I have used for at least the last 20 years an Aladdin brand ( made in usa)glass flask.
this thing will definitely keep coffee drinkable over a period of 24 hrs. thats having 3-4 cups out of the thing during the day and then one next morning.
wouldnt have a clue how much it cost but we were even poorer in those days due to 3 young kids so it wouldnt have been a lot.
we purchased it as FIL had one which survived going under the wheels of his semi and still lives to tell the story.
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Reply By: Member - Steven H (ACT) - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 22:13

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 22:13
Hi Robin
We recently contacted a Rays Camping store in search of a replacement lid for our Aladdin Thermos/Flask and were quoted $10 for the lid plus $15 postage so we are considering whether to replace the lid or the whole thing. However after reading all the posts there doesn't seem to be any clear winner or have l missed it?
Regards
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Reply By: Member - Roger B (VIC) - Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 23:07

Tuesday, Jun 12, 2007 at 23:07
We have an 'ARCOSTEEL' 1.5 litre S/S flask, and it's a beauty. Haven't done a temperature test, but it's always too hot to drink down after 18 hours. The outer casing of the flask doesn't get hot either,indicating that the heat is not escaping. Cost about $60.00 at Ray's in 2002. Cheers.
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