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Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 04, 2007 at 09:29

Member - lyndon K (SA)

Hi
We are thinking of putting larger mud flaps on our Troopy to stop stones hitting our new Tvan. Have just made up a rubber flap(skirt) that goes across the rear of the car but would also like the protection of larger mud flaps. Has anyone put these on a Troopy or can you point us in the right direction?
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AnswerID: 260259   Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 04, 2007 at 10:06

Member - Duncs replied:

Hi Lyndon,

I am not a fan of the big mud flap.

There is a school of thought that says the big mud flap across the width of the vehicle creates a low pressure area which lifts stones into the path of the trailer.

From my experience this school of thought has some merit.

Again from my experience the only way to protect the front of your trailer is to put a barrier on the trailer immediately in front of what you want to protect.

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AnswerID: 260281   Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 04, 2007 at 11:57

Sand Man (SA) replied:

I don't subscribe to the low pressure theory.

In practice, there is (should) still be a gap of around 100mm-150mm between the bottom of the skirt and the ground and with the inclusion of a stoneguard on whatever you may be towing, you will provide adequate protection to that towed object.

As well as this though, I still recommend a rear window saver of some kind. You never know when a small stone may ricochet off the stoneguard's frame, or whatever, as happened to me, and then you will have the additional drama of a broken rear window.

And folks, it WILL happen.

Lyndon,

If you fit a full width skirt across the back of your vehicle, you will not need larger individual mudflaps. Better still, if the skirt is removable, so you don't have it on when not towing offroad, you will have the best and most flexible solution.

I see it like this.
1. The skirt stops the majority of stones from being flicked up by the rear wheels and will not be adversely affected by mud also flicked up.

2. The Stoneguard mounted on the trailer/camper/caravan A-frame will provide protection from stone chips to the the front and sides of that object being towed and also will reduce the build up of mud in certain conditions.

3. The Window Saver saves windows from any stray stones and chips that WILL escape the other barriers from time to time, in certain conditions.

I have learnt this from previous experience.

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FollowupID: 522922   Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 14:01

Member - Beatit (QLD) posted:

G'day Sandman,

Your "skirt" is that one of those shade cloth types with bungee thingys on the sides to take up the slack? If so do you have any plans?

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FollowupID: 522957   Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 17:14

Sand Man (SA) posted:

No mate, The "skirt is one I made from a strip of angle iron and rubber belting.

Have a look at my Members Rig and Profile for a picture.

I think the object that you may be referring to, I would call a "trampoline" which is suspended underneath the A-Frame between the vehicle and trailer. Made one of those too.
Used it once and when it became "mudlogged" I took it off and it now resides "somewhere" in the shed.

The "trampoline" is OK for a trip along the blacktop, although I have never experienced the need for such protection on bitumen roads. But mate, as soon as a dirt track gets wet (Birdsville Track just north of Mungerannie for example) the mud sticks like "you know what" and just drags the trampoline down to the deck. The mud on my "experiment" was several inches thick before I disgarded it. If it's wet, forget a "trampoline".





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FollowupID: 523087   Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 12, 2007 at 08:17

Member - Beatit (QLD) posted:

Thanks Sand Man, I have been thinking about making one of these and even have a length of conveyor belt at home (for the last 12 months) to do that. Some one on EO sent me a plan that seemed pretty good. They used the hitch neck to fix the flap so that they could remove same by just removing the hitch. I noticed on yours that there are two extensions to the towbar which I presumed hold the flap.

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FollowupID: 523124   Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 12, 2007 at 11:14

Sand Man (SA) posted:

Beatit,

The extensions (or hangers) shown were made by me and attach to the tow bar bolts. The tow bar has two mounting bolts each side and I used one each side to attach the hangers which remain permanently. These hangers have on the bottom, 8mm threaded holes.

When attaching the "skirt" it is bolted each side to the hangers, then a retaining bolt in the middle screws into the bottom of the tow bar's hitch receiver also via an 8mm threaded hole. I use three 8mm socket head cap screws to hold the skirt in place.

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FollowupID: 523125   Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 12, 2007 at 11:17

Member - Beatit (QLD) posted:

Thank you, and I forgot to add that the arrangemet looks very neat.

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AnswerID: 260300   Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 04, 2007 at 13:49

Gossy replied:

Lyndon,

Depends on what type of 4wding you do also. If you let down your tyres if you driver on sand you need to take this into account as it will drag. You will also notice this when you reverse in soft sand or where the ground is higher above you.

I have put separate extensions on my original mud flaps but finally got it right after two trips. First trip they were too log and when reversing on big red on flat tyres ran over one (sucked up under the tyre) and ripped it off. Cut then shorter and on my recent trip to the simpson was much better but did rip one off reversing up a step incline to make way for a car coming the other way.

I think now I have the length just right but yes it is worth taking into account.
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AnswerID: 260318   Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 04, 2007 at 15:47

Dieseldude replied:

I just got back from Birdsville and the Simpson Desert and would recommend putting as many and as large as you can on the vehicle and drawbar of the camper because the stones WILL do damage!

I have a 100 series cruiser and fitted flaps to the side steps to protect the rear shocks and these flaps now have holes in them. All my flaps were made from industrial conveyor rubber with about 3 or 4 layers of canvas. They wore straight through.

I also ran a full width sweeper and it was very much worth it!

The camper trailer also had a front stone deflector with large mud flaps hanging from it.

After all these attempts to stop stone damage, the front of the camper still got peppered.

As said above, stones will find their way to the trailer no matter what you do, therefor I'd whack as large a flaps on as possible.

Cheers

Anthony.
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FollowupID: 522665   Submitted: Monday, Sep 10, 2007 at 09:40

Member -Signman posted:

G'day Anthony
Apart from disintergrating- how effective did you think the 'Extra' side step mudflaps were?? I assume they must have been working if they took a lot of the impact ??
I'm considering fitting 'flaps onto the siderails on the Troopy..
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FollowupID: 522863   Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 09:27

Dieseldude posted:

G'day mate.

The side mud flaps (under the steps) stopped a great deal of stones! The damage that they sustained more than proved this. I'd like to have made them a little wider as the shocks still got some damage, but no where near as bad as last years effort without them.

Mine are located about 2/3rds the way back towards the rear wheels. Perhaps having them closer to the front wheels would be more effective. I'd have to play around with this to work it out.

How far back do you think you'll be mounting yours?

I'd much prefer to be changing relatively cheap pieces of rubber rather than expensive shocks.

Unfortunately it's not allowing me to post pictures otherwise I'd put some up to show you.

I might check back later and try again.

Cheers mate.

Anthony.
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FollowupID: 522914   Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 11, 2007 at 13:23

Member -Signman posted:

Thanks for your comments Anthony.
The wheelbase of Troopy is close to 3 metres. I have a 'convenient' mounting location on the side bar brackets about 560mm behind the front tyre, an another at 1150mm.
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AnswerID: 260351   Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 04, 2007 at 19:00

PeterInSA replied:

I drive a Cruiser with a wide mudflap bolted to the towbar the mudflap is about 130mm off the ground.

My friends tell me at above 60k the mudflap, flaps up and down, so this action must allow stones to hit the front of our van.

Am seriously thinking of making two vertical cuts in the mudflap so I have a 400mm section behind each back wheel and a separate centre section, so air travelling underneath the centre of the cruiser will only lift the centre flap.

Definitely the height above ground also affects the wind flapping, the lower the height the more flapping.
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