Gone Bush (WA) posted:

Yeah, I figured someone would say that, however...

It manifested itself on bitumen going really slowly out of Bayswater in Melbourne on day one with the van. This was noticeable but not dramatic.

On gravel near Eulo in QLD I was also travelling slowly but this is where it almost got sideways.

What made me suspicious was that, while having lunch outside Eulo, a chap pulled up in his previous model trayback and actually asked me, out of the blue, if I had experienced fishtailing because a friend of his with the new model had a similar bad occurrence.

Where there's smoke there's fire.

Member - beachbum posted:

Idiot

Gone Bush (WA) posted:

And what would prompt you to post that comment Beachbum?

QLD Kev posted:

Beachbum,

Who is an "Idiot"??

Kev

posted:

Too much torque?

BIGDOG24308 posted:

"it manifested itself on bitumen going really slowly out of bayswater"

What ?? Just like that.....driving slowly and it started to fishtail ??

Suggest you check your van out


Cheers...................BIGDOG

Gone Bush (WA) posted:

BigDog, it was very minor at that time but noticeable.

I agree that it could be the van having an effect. I've tried to take it to a rather illogical extreme and imagine one of those tricycle type cars that appear in Europe with a single rear wheel, and if that was pushed by a van it would certainly get out of shape.

But there must be something in the dynamics because I'm sure that the reverse, ie a very wide rear track would be stable.

Who knows? It's the coincidence of having someone ask me that question straight after I had experienced it that got me thinking.

Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses posted:

Perhaps the new LSD works?

Himble posted:

...or lack of proper "balance" between tow vehicle and van.

D'ya use/have a WDH? Have you checked that your towball weight is not too light? These, and other elements can affect towing stability, regardless of speed.

Another question: did you tow the van with a previous vehicle? If so, any probs??

Cheers
Himble

Gone Bush (WA) posted:

First time I've towed a van Himble.

I considered WDH's but was advised that they could adversely affect the flexibilty of the coupling off road, like into and out of washaways etc.

I am assumiing that the ball weight is about 10% of the van (2500kgs). It has not been specifically measured.

Member - Tour Boy (NSW) posted:

Mate,
A WDH will help if the van is large enough and you could probably disconect it for roads rougher than just gravel.. so the best of both worlds.

If not I'll swap my 105 for it LOL

Trevor R (QLD) posted:

Gone Bush,

Don't "assume" anything, my van had a ball weight of 300+kg's when I picked it up but total GTM is only 2 tonne apparently.

Trevor

Pete and Lez posted:

How much difference is there in track width?

Richard Kovac posted:

Pete

Front track (mm)
Cab Chassis: 1515 (WorkMate); 1555 (GX, GXL)
Wagon: 1515 (WorkMate); 1555 (GXL)
Troop Carrier: 1515
Rear track (mm)
Cab Chassis: 1420 (WorkMate); 1460 (GX, GXL)
Wagon: 1420 (WorkMate); 1460 (GXL)
Troop Carrier: 1420

Richard

Gone Bush (WA) posted:

Now that's what I'm after.

Some anecdotal evidence that will start lending weight to my questions.

Who says I'm an idiot, eh Beachbum?

Richard Kovac posted:

Important Notice - Please Read: Toyota Australia has used reasonable endeavours to ensure that this material is accurate at the time of printing. However, all information must be confi rmed with your Toyota Dealer at the time
of ordering, as specifi cations and details will change over time. Colours displayed here are a guide only and may vary from actual colours. To the extent permitted by law, Toyota Australia will not be liable for any damage, loss or
expense incurred as a result of reliance on the information and photos contained in this material. Part No LC700907SV Printed SEPTEMBER 2007.
LandCruiser 70 Series. Technical specifications.
Technical specifi cations
Engine
Engine type - Turbo diesel
Engine displacement - 4461
Bore x Stroke - 86.0 x 96.0
Engine confi guration - 8 cylinders, V-type
Valve mechanism - 32-valve, DOHC
Maximum power - 151kW/3400
Maximum torque - 430Nm/1200-3200
Compression ratio - 16.8:1
Fuel
Fuel system - Common-rail type
Fuel type - Diesel
Fuel consumption (L/100km)** - 11.9 (Wagon and Troop Carrier);
11.5 (C/C)
Transmission
Driveline - 4WD - Part time four wheel drive, with dual range
transmission and manually adjustable front wheel hubs
Transmission - 5-speed manual
Steering
Steering system - Hydraulic
Steering operation - Power steering
Turning circle - 14.4m (C/C); 13.6m (Troop Carrier);
12.6m (Wagon)
Brakes
Front and rear - Ventilated discs
Suspension
Front - Rigid live axle, leading arm, coil springs, dampers
and anti-roll bar
Rear - Rigid live axle, semi-elliptic leaf springs, dampers
Dimensions
Overall length (mm)
Cab Chassis: 5090 (GXL); 5070 (WorkMate, GX)
Wagon: 4730 (WorkMate); 4770 (GXL)
Troop Carrier: 5070 (WorkMate); 5080 (GXL)
Overall width (mm)
Cab Chassis: 1790 (WorkMate); 1870 (GX, GXL)
Wagon: 1790 (WorkMate); 1870 (GXL)
Troop Carrier: 1790
Overall height (mm)
Cab Chassis: 1970 (WorkMate); 1955 (GX, GXL)
Wagon: 1955 (WorkMate); 1940 (GXL)
Troop Carrier: 2115
Wheelbase (mm)
Cab Chassis: 3180
Wagon: 2730
Troop Carrier: 2980
Front track (mm)
Cab Chassis: 1515 (WorkMate); 1555 (GX, GXL)
Wagon: 1515 (WorkMate); 1555 (GXL)
Troop Carrier: 1515
Rear track (mm)
Cab Chassis: 1420 (WorkMate); 1460 (GX, GXL)
Wagon: 1420 (WorkMate); 1460 (GXL)
Troop Carrier: 1420
Ground clearance (unladen) (mm)
Cab Chassis: 235 (WorkMate); 220 (GX, GXL)
Wagon: 230 (WorkMate); 215 (GXL)
Troop Carrier: 235 (WorkMate, GXL)
Weights & Capabilities
Seating capacity
Cab Chassis: 3 (WorkMate, GX); 2 (GXL)
Wagon: 5
Troop Carrier: 3/11 (WorkMate); 5 (GXL)
Fuel tank capacity (litres) - 180 (C/C, Troop Carrier); 90 (Wagon)
Kerb weight (kg)^
Cab Chassis: 2045 (WorkMate); 2010 (GX); 2020 (GXL)
Wagon: 2220 (WorkMate); 2190 (GXL)
Troop Carrier: 2320 (WorkMate); 2335 (GXL)
Gross vehicle mass (kg)# - 3330 (C/C, Troop Carrier); 3000 (Wagon)
Towing capacity (kg)* - 3500 (braked); 750 (unbraked)
CAB CHASSIS WORKMATE
STANDARD FEATURES
Exterior
Moulded black front bumper
Black exterior mirrors
Chrome door handles
Front mudfl aps
Steel side steps
16” Steel Wheels (7.50R16-8PRLT)
Halogen headlamps
Interior & Seating
Driver’s bucket seat and passenger bench seat (3 seats)
Textured vinyl seat trim
Driver’s footrest
Driver and passenger’s assist grips & grab handles
3 person seating capacity
Instruments & Controls
Tilt-adjustable steering column
Intermittent windscreen wipers
Idle-up control
Digital clock in radio
Auxiliary fuel tank gauge (Only applicable for 90L auxiliary
fuel tank)
Power steering
Lighting
Door operated dome lamp
Storage
Glovebox
Front ashtray
Dashboard centre storage bin
Sound System
MP3 single disc CD player with AM/FM radio
2 speakers
Front guard mounted antenna
Security coded audio
Safety
Side door impact protection beams
Energy-absorbing steering column
Door ajar warning lamp
Emergency Locking Retractor (ELR) seatbelts for outer positions
in front cabin
GX Features -
in addition† to WorkMate features
Exterior
16” Alloy Wheels (265/70R16LT)
Over fender fl ares
Wide front mudguards
GXL Features -
in addition† to GX features
Exterior
Chrome & painted front bumper
Chrome radiator grille
Chrome roof drip and windscreen mouldings
Aluminium side steps
Front door arm rest
Power antenna
Front fog lamps
Interior & Seating
Cloth seat and door trim
Driver’s and front passenger's bucket seats
Floor carpet
2 person seating capacity
Instruments & Controls
Central locking / keyless entry
Variable intermittent windscreen wipers
Front power windows
Storage
Front door pockets
Driver and passenger map pockets
Centre console storage box
2 cupholders in centre console
Options
Air conditioning
Diff locks
Deletion of 90L auxiliary fuel tank (WorkMate model only)
WAGON WORKMATE
STANDARD FEATURES
Exterior
Moulded black front and rear bumpers
Black exterior mirrors
Chrome door handles
Aluminium side steps
Front mudfl aps
Rear mudfl aps
16” Steel Wheels (7.50R16-8PRLT)
Barn type 60/40 rear tailgate doors
Halogen headlamps
Interior & Seating
Driver’s and front passenger's bucket seats
Textured vinyl seat trim
Driver’s footrest
Driver and passenger’s assist grips & grab handles
5 person seating capacity
Instruments & Controls
Tilt-adjustable steering column
Intermittent windscreen wipers
Idle-up control
Digital clock in radio
Power steering
Lighting
Front and rear dome lamp (door operated)
Storage
Glovebox
Front ashtray
Dashboard centre storage bin
Centre console storage box
Sound System
MP3 single disc CD player with AM/FM radio
4 speakers
Front guard mounted antenna
Security coded audio
Safety
Side door impact protection beams
Energy-absorbing steering column
Door ajar warning lamp
Emergency Locking Retractor (ELR) seatbelts for outer positions in
front cabin
GXL Features -
in addition† to WorkMate features
Exterior
Chrome & painted front and rear bumpers
Chrome radiator grille
Chrome roof drip and windscreen mouldings
16” Alloy Wheels (265/70R16LT)
Over fender fl ares
Wide front mudguards
Power antenna
Front fog lamps
Interior & Seating
Cloth seat and door trim
Floor carpet
Instruments & Controls
Central locking / keyless entry
Variable intermittent windscreen wipers
Front and rear power windows
Storage
Driver & passenger map pockets
Front door pockets
Centre console storage box
Options
Air conditioning
Diff locks
TROOP CARRIER WORKMATE
STANDARD FEATURES
Exterior
Moulded black front and rear bumpers
Black exterior mirrors
Chrome door handles
Steel side steps
Front and rear mudfl aps
16” Steel Wheels (7.50R16-8PRLT)
Barn type 60/40 rear tailgate doors
Halogen headlamps
Interior & Seating
Driver’s bucket seat and dual front passenger bench seat
Textured vinyl seat trim
Driver’s footrest
Driver and passenger’s assist grips & grab handles
11 person seating capacity (Front 3, Rear 8) [3 seat option
also available]
Instruments & Controls
Tilt-adjustable steering column
Intermittent windscreen wipers
Idle-up control
Digital clock in radio
Auxillary fuel tank gauge
Power steering
Lighting
Door operated dome lamp
Cargo area lamp
Storage
Glovebox
Front ashtray
Dashboard centre storage bin
Sound System
MP3 single disc CD player with AM/FM radio
2 speakers
Front guard mounted antenna
Security coded audio
Safety
Side door impact protection beams
Energy-absorbing steering column
Door ajar warning lamp
Emergency Locking Retractor (ELR) seatbelts for outer positions in
front cabin
GXL Features -
in addition† to WorkMate features
Exterior
Chrome & painted front and rear bumpers
Chrome radiator grille
Chrome roof drip and windscreen mouldings
Front door arm rest
Power antenna
Front fog lamps
Interior & Seating
Cloth seat and door trims
Bucket front seats (2 seats)
Floor carpet
5 person seating capacity
Instruments & Controls
Central locking / keyless entry
Variable intermittent windscreen wipers
Front power windows
Sound System
4 speakers
Storage
Driver & passenger map pockets
Front door pockets
Centre console storage box
2 cupholders in centre console
Options
Air conditioning
Diff locks
3 person seating capacity - deletion of 8 rear seats (WorkMate
model only)
KEY
#Gross Combined Mass (GCM) is the total permissible combined
weight of the vehicle and trailer/caravan being towed including
occupants, fuel & cargo.
*Towbar capacity subject to regulatory requirements, towbar
design, vehicle design and towing equipment limitations. Toyota
Genuine Towbar = LandCruiser 70 Series model towing capacity.
**Fuel consumption will vary depending on driving conditions/
style, vehicle condition and options/accessories. Source of fuel
consumption data ADR81/01 combined (L/100km).
^Kerb, Tare and Payload weights are nominal and vary depending
on options and accessories.
†Except items that are upgraded.

Member - Terry G (NSW) posted:

Richard What???

Richard Kovac posted:

Just in case anyone needed to know.. LOL

Trekkie (Member - WA) posted:

Richard you just won the award for the longest post ever ... you goose

Trekkie (Member - WA) posted:

Richard you just won the award for the longest post ever ... you goose

Richard Kovac posted:

Please forward it to 151 Gad..... WA 62....

:-)

Footloose posted:

"but its just above SA border in qld"......how fast did you say you were flying ??

Gone Bush (WA) posted:

If you pull that photo out on his 21st, young Zavier will snot you.

Member - Shane D (QLD) posted:

If he snot's me, I'll show the world the "other" photo's
Shane