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Thinking of BFG TA Tyres over coopers
Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 07:46
justin71
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When you are looking for a compromise between off-road capability and good on-road manners, an All-Terrain (AT) tyre is the way to go.
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Ok, so thanks to all the negative remarks over coopers, I am now swaying towards the BFG
tyres
for my 99 Patrol, who has an opinion on these? It will be for some
camping
and occasional off roading, but mainly on road. Are these ok for sealed roads with noise and wear etc?
I know they are overkill for mainly onroad this but want a good AT tyre instead of a HT for the big road trips, corrugated roads, off roading etc.
thanks a lot
Justin
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AnswerID: 268889 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 07:57
flappa
replied: I'm a big fan of BFG AT's.
Been using them for many years on all my 4wds.
IMO , they are a very good allround tyre.
To get good wear , I would recommend making sure you rotate the
tyres
regularily.
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AnswerID: 268890 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 08:00
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replied: I have had BFG AT's on the Triton for over 50 000km and they are wearing well. I do occasional offroad and mostly on road city driving ATM and I love them.
The new cruiser has Cooper ST's on it so I will see how they go, if they are crap I'll put BFG AT's on it.
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AnswerID: 268891 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 08:01
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replied: We have put our faith in the BFG AT's and never been let down - yet to have a flat. We are conservatice drivers, and take it quite easy on the stony surfaces outback - adjusting pressures as indicated - you should get 80,000km at least from a set you look after. One thing - because of the robust wall construction, they give a very firm ride on the blacktop, but its a mistake to reduce pressures - shortens their life.
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FollowupID: 531678 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 09:43
Member - Denis G (QLD) posted:
Agree entirely - have used nothing else on my last 4 L' cruisers (nms much pressure from a mate who sells Coopers), and it has been nothing but a pleasure. Agree regular rotation (<every 10,000 kms) prolongs life, as also sensible pressures, and 80,000 kms is not at all unusual. Use mine as a daily commute - and at least one long (3 week) off road trip , and a couple of shorter ones, each year.
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FollowupID: 531750 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 16:58
Andrew from Vivid Adventures posted:
"its a mistake to reduce pressures - shortens their life"
Now now Darian. That is a pretty inflamatory statement.
Which pressures were you talking about? Under what conditions? With what load?
Without those caveats you might be shortening the passenger's lives.
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FollowupID: 531764 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 17:48
MEMBER - Darian (SA) posted:
Inflamatory statement ? No - inflatory maybe :-o) ...... if you run BFG's in the mid 30 psi range around town, the shoulders will wear out while useful tread remains in the centres - to gain even wear across the face, the pressures need to be 40 psi at least in my view, hence the firm ride. I recall others here saying the same -reducing the BFG pressures for town travel won't soften the ride much - while rated to 65 psi, safety is not an issue (all other things being equal) - when in the bush on mixed surface gravel roads, my whole approach changes - pressures there range from about 25 psi through to the low 30's.
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FollowupID: 531770 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 18:18
Andrew from Vivid Adventures posted:
That is nice to hear and I think the clarification helps a lot.
The pressure should be related to the load... over-inflating
tyres
can result in uneven wear too.
The important thing it to know how bagged your
tyres
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FollowupID: 531851 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 21:48
Members - Bow posted:
I run BFGs at 30psi round town and on the open road and have never had a problem with wear on the shoulders.
Higher than 35psi the ride is to hard.
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FollowupID: 531855 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 21:55
Andrew from Vivid Adventures posted:
But Bow, that is exactly why little snippets of information does not make for good practice for everyone.
30psi for you won't be enough for my even partially loaded 100 Series... it can be seen how much the tyre have bagged. When they are that bagged life might be fine 80km/h on dirt roads, but when I am on the bitumen at 110km/h, the sidewalls don't have the necessary rigidity to carry the load...
Suppliers do provide dealers, or can provide dealers with details of what PSI for what loads, but poor old dealers don't get the full details from their clients about what loads they are carrying on their axles...
Everyone's mileage will vary, to coin a phrase... what is good for someone else it not what's right for you.
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AnswerID: 268907 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 10:04
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replied: Justin
I am new on this site and I have been spending a lot of time in the last couple of weeks reading through the archives. I have noticed when it comes to
tyres
there are plenty of comments both for and against every brand on the market.
In my younger days I have worked in the motor industry in both the Riverina area of NSW and the
Snowy Mountains
. I am now back near Sydney. I do not believe there are any bad
tyres
but there are a hell of a lot that are used for the wrong purpose or are driven in a manner that takes them outside their design limits. In over forty years of driving I have used all of the popular brands on both sealed and unsealed roads and I have had a good run out of all of them. While in WA in the early 1970s I even bought four 6.40x13 no frills el cheapo cross plies for my EH Holden then got 32,000 miles, not ks, out of them and that included two trips over the Nullarbor when 500 ks of it was still unsealed.
I would suggest you do a couple of things. The first is to select
tyres
with the highest load ratings possible then keep the car well within those limits. These load rates can vary a fair bit between
tyres
of the same size but different brands. Don't overload the car, pay close attention to pressures and don't drive like a bat out of hell over unsealed roads. I have seen plenty of damage caused to
tyres
, wheels, shocks, shock mounts, spring hangers etc by people doing that in an attempt to get a smooth ride by "floating" over the surface. You might feel comfortable inside but you are giving the car and
tyres
hell underneath.
Another thing is remember the old saying about what to do when in Rome. If you want to drive on mountain tracks then ring a couple of tyre dealers up in the Snowy and find out what
tyres
the local people use. Do the same in the Outback and ring dealers out there. When you go into those
places
you want something that works and is readily available if you need a replacement and speaking to the people who live, work and drive in the area is the best way to find out.
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FollowupID: 531763 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 17:39
Member - George (WA) posted:
A very sensible reply, could not agree more
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AnswerID: 268908 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 10:38
Member - joc45 (WA)
replied: I fitted BFG ATs to my Patrol new in 2000. Got about 95000 out of the set of 5, but admittedly, that did include a few kms of a 6th one after wrecking one of the originals. At 95000, bought a set of 4 and am about to replace them after 80,000 for the four. Will certainly go for them again. I also had them on my earlier Maverick on split rims and was very happy with them.
I find that they balance well,wear evenly and have had no probs with the so-called Patrol front-end wobble syndrome I hear so much about.
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AnswerID: 268916 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 12:05
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Justin,
We used BFG AT's on an 80 series for about 9 years, doing about 200K clicks in that time.
Had a few flats, mainly due to nails, welding rods etc, and never had a blow-out. They are as good as mentioned above in other replies, though we never got the high mileage others have claimed. Mainly due to wear on stony roads, and high-ish speeds during hot weather.
They don't like stony roads, and chip badly on these roads. Otherwise very good tyre.
Ran them (265.75R16) @ 32psi almost all the time, and the wear was very even. Definitely worth a try,
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AnswerID: 268944 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 16:03
Member -Dodger
replied: I have used BFG
tyres
on most of my 4wd vehicles and have found them to be reliable.
On my present vehicle the BFG's have currently done a total of 60k and are just about shot but will still use them for a few more k.
I the AT KO series from US not the Jap or Korean ones.
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AnswerID: 268967 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 17:50
justin71
replied: Thanks a lot for all the input guys.
I wanted to
ask a question
regarding the ply of the tyre, the Atkos are 6 ply according to tyrepower and the Cooper ATs are 10 ply.
What does this difference atually mean in the real world? The BFGs look tough as steel so it surprised me they werent 10 ply like the coopers.
thanks
Justin
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FollowupID: 531779 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 18:34
Andrew from Vivid Adventures posted:
looks can decieve ;-)
The "ply rating" is an international standard rating - no longer is it the "actual" number of layers in the construction, but the stiffness of the construction compared to a notional number of layers in a typical tyre construction.
Not all Cooper ATRs are rated at 10 ply either...
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In the real world lower rating could mean more proness to staking and less load bearing capacity... but the load bearing capacity is best determined by the load rating these days.
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FollowupID: 531819 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 19:57
justin71 posted:
Hi Andrew
Thanks for the message and the info, its a shame its not still the "actual" number of layers, thats certainly what the name "ply" indicates, layers. The cooper I was referring to is a 265 75 16 which is a 10 ply according to the info. I am going to check out the load ratings of the
tyres
now. Someone once mentioned to me that its better to have a 75 instead of 70 tyre on the patrol, I cant remember the exact reason, what do you think?
cheers
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FollowupID: 531829 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 20:23
Andrew from Vivid Adventures posted:
The reason the ply rating is not actual layers these days is that technology has moved well ahead of canvas layers crossed at 40 degrees to each other... but the ply rating was the common point of comparison. (Thank God I say, but Willem will differ)
The load rating, however, has largely replaced it in purpose, and is more relevant.
It really feels like you need to get good advice from your dealer - if it doesn't correspond with what you hear here, by all means validate it, but there are a lot of considerations.
Your activities. Your wheels. Your
suspension
. Your load. Effects of changes in rolling diameter on performance. The law. How much space you have in your wheel well... to name a few.
You get a little clearance with bigger
tyres
.
You gain a little load bearing capacity usually with bigger
tyres
.
You add a little extra unsprung weight with bigger
tyres
.
You get a little higher gearing from bigger
tyres
.
You lose a little power (effectively) with bigger
tyres
.
You pay a little extra with bigger
tyres
.
For me, I drive larger than standard
tyres
on my 100 series 1HZ - I run Cooper STTs (John R from Vic thinks this is a paid advert so I'll get my money's worth) and LT285/75R16 specifically. I put up with the higher gearing, the speedo under-reporting, and slow driving up the bigger hills... and I get to take the cruiser anywhere I have wanted to.
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AnswerID: 269005 Submitted: Monday, Oct 29, 2007 at 19:53
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replied: Hi All,i have also run BFG A/Ts and Muddyies on 60s,80s,100s and hiluxes and had excellent results on all vehicles with either style,the only gripe is the muddies are very noisy,so when due for a set of muddies for the 100 series a friend of mine said try a set of Procomp mud terrains in which i did(i know iknow they are made in the cooper factory but on different line and spec)and have had an excellent run sofar with them(45k on them and expecting another 30 odd k)some fair chipping and small chunks out of rears only after last simpson expedition.fronts still perfect.as for noise they are less than half the racket of the BFGs,so next muddies i think will be the procomps again as no punctures nor other problems.thats my 20c worth anyway cheers Paul
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