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Where's your offroad caravan been?
Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 13:32
Trevor R (QLD)
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Similar to the question you may have asked yourself when considering a 4WD vehicle could also be raised when considering an off road caravan – “Will I be going off road?
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I am looking for travel destinations that people have been with their offroad caravans (preferably the 2500kg+ types) and what was their tow vehicle? What special modifications to vehicle and van were done before the trip and how or why did you choose these mods?
Any problems encountered to get to these off the beaten track destinations?
Hoping to give valuable insight into what is and isn't possible to any interested person's.
I simply loved this years
Birdsville track
foray I did with the 16ft Supreme Getaway in tow behind my GU Nissan 4.2 but I would not call that an "out of the way" destination by today's standards.
Cheers to all,
Trevor.
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AnswerID: 270606 Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 18:56
mike b
replied: Trevor,in reality I think it depends on how hard you want to run
your van. In my case with a Trakmaster with air bag
suspension
and 3 month travelling the Kimberleys
any where the 80 series would go the van went as well. Most of the outback roads ,Tamani, Gibb River, Kalumbru ,
Mitchell Falls
are just dirt roads ,really did not find too much that was a problem.
easily travelled in an offroad van. The toughest run I did was
Diggers Rest camp site to the Pentacost River via the back road in deep bull dust , not much fun with two and a half ton hanging off the back.Obviously if you want to go rock crawling with a van thats a different matter again. Apart from an ARB
suspension
and 50mm lift no drastic mods to the 80 series ,I think there was more limitation on the Landcruiser than the van
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FollowupID: 533626 Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 07, 2007 at 19:26
Trevor R (QLD) posted:
Hi Mike,
Is it Trakmaster that have an owners club doing some very remote and very difficult tracks every year? I heard of one caravan mob doing an east to west crossing of the continent, don't know if it was Trackmaster or not.
Sounds like some good spots have been seen with your van in tow already, keep up the safe and happy travels.
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AnswerID: 270697 Submitted: Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 08:38
Member - RnR (NSW)
replied: Trevor,
Yes it is the Trakmaster club. They run the east to west each year along with many other trips. They also undertook the Alice to
Marble Bar
this year which I went on, a Flinders and
Gawler ranges
trip along with a few in
Victoria
. I did not reply to your initial question because my single axle "Kimberley" Trakmaster is only quite small with a tare weight of 1539 kg's.
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FollowupID: 533721 Submitted: Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 09:20
Trevor R (QLD) posted:
RnR,
Thanks for the reply, I did not mean to put you off telling your travels due to the weight of the van but I was particularly interested in the 2500kg jobs so I can work out where mine could go as well as give others some ideas.
Do you know how the Trackmaster owners go in the desert country? I figure on the East West trip they traverse plenty of the Simpson as well as some of the sandy country through the West Aus border regions. Sounds like the later has been experienced by yourself on the Alice to
Marble Bar
trip?
I am curious as to the Trackmaster's path through the Simpson, is there a website I can ask these questions direct to those having done the trip before? and wonder if they would let a ringin Supreme Getaway owner join in the fun?
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
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AnswerID: 270791 Submitted: Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 18:32
mike b
replied: Trevor
Mine was a Kimberly as well, dry weight 1850 with all the extras
I had fitted, I was a single traveller, so was prepared for any thing
Dont think your over all weight will pose any problem as long as your tow unit will handle it , and at 2500 you would most likely have dual axles which makes things easier. Have since sold the van, big investment that was not getting any use and got a good offer for it. Old age and a very sus. back have sort of curtailed
my travels, but another tick in the box and simply the best 3 months I have ever spent.
Best of luck in your travels
Mike B
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FollowupID: 533815 Submitted: Thursday, Nov 08, 2007 at 19:55
Trevor R (QLD) posted:
Mike B,
Thanks for the reply. Mine is only single axle but it is very overweight for it's length (16'6 long- 2250 on the axle loaded plus the 300 odd kg on the ball), it digs in hard in the soft sand which is the main reason for asking how others go in the desert country. The GU has crawler gears as well as good HP at the back wheels which sort of makes my confidence a little over inflated at times....another reason for me asking the question of where it can and can't go as my confidence blurrs things a little (
Big Red
seemed extra easy to me this year, so much so, I reckon the van would come up behind me if I wanted it to....which gets one thinking of a desert foray in comfort). I have no hesitation in taking it on corrogated dirt roads as the
suspension
of both van and vehicle are setup to cope with this, but I do hesitate with sand.
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AnswerID: 273434 Submitted: Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 06:50
Mobi Condo
replied: Hello Trevor,
We have a tare weight 2440kg 19' Bushtracker, dual axle heavy duty
suspension
. We work full time but visit family in SE Qld on average each 18 months. We LOVE to explore and take every different back road we can and have thus far in the 2 years we have had the van, covered Arkaroola, the Tanami Road, the
Gibb River Road
, Neds Creek Road to Wiluna with our van. It simply follows us where ever we go and we have no worries to track several kilometres off along existing two wheel tracks through the scrub to an isolated camp spot out of site of what ever road we have travelled.
We tow with an 80 series with after market Turbo on the 1HZ diesel. Tojo is Nov '96 manufacture so has the 3500 tow capacity and we have had the GVM approved to 3350Kg by an automotive engineer.
On the road
our rig is - Tojo 3100Kg (including ball weight of van) Van is 3350Kg for a total of 6450Kg GCM. That is with 320L (KG) of water, all food, clothes, toys,
Recovery gear
& 60 L of spare fuel.
After a life time (now aged 59) of
camping
, swagging etc we now wish we had bitten the bullet and got a van years ago!
Cheers - Mobi
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FollowupID: 536915 Submitted: Saturday, Nov 24, 2007 at 20:23
Trevor R (QLD) posted:
Thanks Mobi,
Just goes to show, there is no need to stop where the bitumen ends if you have the right setup. That is one seriously loaded B/tracker......if my maths are OK you put 900kg in the van? is this right? I thought I was the only one silly enough to load up like this LOL!! I have tare of 1670kg on my van but weighing it gives 2350kg on the axle (single axle) and ball weight of 300kg for all up 2650kg.....very loaded (read o/loaded).
I did the B/ville track earlier this year and it has just given me a taste of what I love...the great wide land with no limits. Just got to get the kids through 12yrs of schooling....payout the mortgage....convince the wife to go full time.....argghhh too hard, depressed just thinking about it LOL!! Short stints will have to apease me for the time being, but Innaminka and the simmo are high on my list but with the van in tow, the latter may be difficult (or impossible but don't tell me that or I will have to try it LOL!!).
Thanks for the response.
Happy trials, Trevor.
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FollowupID: 536949 Submitted: Sunday, Nov 25, 2007 at 06:48
Mobi Condo posted:
Hello again Trevor,
Yes 900 + with - each kg weighed as it was loaded inside! Water was "weighed" by fact of 320L = 320Kg etc.
We did the hard yards exercise before we took on the Kimberly excursion for LSL in May, June, July this year. My wife and myself took great diligence to do so in order to make sure we are legal for all sorts of reasons.
I am glad we got the Toyota GVM looked at and approved to be re-rated to 3350Kg and the VIN plates fixed! We now HAVE to run Light truck
tyres
AND ALWAYS have trailer brakes in action. If we have a trailed load even less than 750 Kg we HAVE to ensure we are not over the standard Toyota GVM of 2960 as well! That is now worry of course as we have a heavy duty trailer with elcetric brakes as well! It is getting quite
technical
these days!
Our van is rated at 3500Kg BUT has 4000Kg heavy duty
suspension
and 12" brakes on all four wheels. So we are running with a 500 Kg safety margin when we are at our legal limit!
Never the less the whole rig just churns along very smoothly and efficiently. Since adding the Turbo we are at least 1.5 gears better off on hills (field tested along the same stretch of road between Kyancutta and Iron Knob) AND we obtained 9% better fuel economy over the trip of 11700 kilometers.
Cheers - Mobi
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