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Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 19:59

mikeyprop3

My NM Pajero is losing minute ammounts of water each day. I recently paid $190 for a local radiator specialist to pressure test and flush/refill. I took it back after pouring 2 litres in within the week! Pressure tested again with no problems. They diagnosed an airlock that they said would settle down. 3 weeks later it has consumed another 2 litres. Driving me insane now!

My question is what do they exactly pressure test?

Also I did not lose volume today but recovery bottle was overfull and radiator 1/4 empty. When I removed cap their was a nice vacuum noise. The extra in recovery bottle was blown back into radiator and this reached correct radiator level.

I'm just about to check myself into amental hospital! Any advice GREATLY appreciated.

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AnswerID: 279277   Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 20:29

David from Engine Saver Low Water Alarms replied:

Try a new radiator cap and make sure the overflow hose has no leak between the radiator and the overflow tank.

If the system has been pressure tested ok it sounds as though the expansion recovery system is not working.

Hope this is helpfull
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FollowupID: 543414   Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 20:45

mikeyprop3 posted:

David, thanks for that. They did charge me for a new cap. Whether I got one or perhaps a wrong one I will look into. I have pulled the hoses off the recovery system and looked for leaks. Your opinion on the pressure test however gives me some hope that the problem is minor. Are their any different specs for caps besides fit?

Your product sounds interesting also for all the obvious reasons.
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AnswerID: 279283   Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 21:06

David from Engine Saver Low Water Alarms replied:

The majority of radiator caps have 2 seals, the main top seal & a small one way seal in the base, to allow recovery from the overflow tank.

Remove the radiator cap, immerse it in a bucket of water & run your finger under to bottom seal to remove any foreign matter which may prevent a complete seal.

Test the overflow hose by applying simple mouth vacuum to it.
Block with the tongue to seal and see if it holds vacuum

(Of course do this with full regard to wh&s procedures after consultation the appropriate materials date sheets for the type of coolant involved)

If you don't have a recovery problem, the system should be retested for small leaks.
They can be notoriously hard to find with a normal pressure test.
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AnswerID: 279285   Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 21:27

Stephen M (NSW) replied:

Also check to make sure the long tube in the recovery bottle hasnt come off. This will cause the water to be pushed into overflow bottle when needed but wont allow it be sucked back in again. Also found on my wifes pulsar a few years ago when she owned it after having a service/flush etc they connected the hose on top of the overflow bottle to the wrong tube which was allowing the water to be pushed into the bottle but couldnt be sucked back into radiator. Took me a few hours to work out what the hell was going on. Empty radiator but overflow bottle was overflowing all the time needless to say I no longer use his services. Also make sure the little rubber tubing running from the radiator to the overflow bottle is not sucking itself together when trying to suck coolant back into the radiator.Just another thing that could possibly be causing you the trouble. Regards Steve M

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AnswerID: 279286   Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 21:38

Neil & Pauline replied:

A simple frustration option is that there is something in the recovery bottle that blocks the return of fluid. Acts like a valve. I had a small piece of plastic in mine. Best non return valve you could get!
May well be the wrong radiator cap. There are very subtle differences.

Neil
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FollowupID: 543447   Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 02, 2008 at 06:42

Member - Roachie (SA) posted:

Or perhaps the hose inside the recovery bottle is going right to the bottom of the bottle and sealing it off.......allows water to flow in, but not back out. Best thing here is to cut the bottom of the hose on a 45 degree angle.

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FollowupID: 543470   Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 02, 2008 at 09:49

Neil & Pauline posted:

One thing for sure it is something simple. Was thinking it may also be the hose got old and soft and flattening.

Neil
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AnswerID: 279291   Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 22:04

Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) replied:

pressure tests are a complete waste of time ond will only find a fault with a 2 inch hole in your radiator.

Have you checked for bubbles in radiator? hopefully only a rad cap but that is rarely the case
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FollowupID: 543429   Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 at 22:24

mikeyprop3 posted:

When would I look for bubbles Davoe? Just start it up and let run with cap off till thermostat opens?

Also in response to other replies I have done the vacuum test suggested earlier on tubing and am able to blow coolant out of bottle into radiator so no blockages there.

Thanks very much everybody, I really appreciate your help!
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FollowupID: 543483   Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 02, 2008 at 11:17

Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) posted:

yep pretty much tou will know when it opens coz you will see the coolant circulating. lso look for water in your oil etc but a crack between the jacket and combusion chamber will not pt oil in water etc.
Also when the vehicle is warm look for bubbles going into the expansion chamber
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AnswerID: 279298   Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 02, 2008 at 04:38

Member - Phil B (WA) replied:

Had a similar problem in my 80 series - losing water but nothing showing on pressure test. Eventually found a crack in bottom tank that only leaked when the radiator shop put extra pressure into the system.
The crack wasn't opening on the normal pressure test pressure.
Sorry but I cant remember what pressure they eventually used.
I hope this helps

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AnswerID: 279307   Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 02, 2008 at 07:46

donks1 replied:



hi there

there was a recal on these radiators for the nm pajeros

some just had new coolant but others had the radiator replaced

if you give me the vin no. i can check it for you now

might save you some time and cash

donks
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FollowupID: 543534   Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 02, 2008 at 17:06

mikeyprop3 posted:

Donks,
The VIN is JMFLNV76WTJOOO476.

I found the drain tap 1/4 of a turn loose.

Just been for 2 hour drive and recovery bottle at correct level. Waiting for cool down to check Rad.

I won't hold my breath though.....

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FollowupID: 543661   Submitted: Thursday, Jan 03, 2008 at 08:10

donks1 posted:



G'day Mikey

that vin doesn't seem to be correct, any chance you could double check it, or possibly the rego may work

thanks

donks
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AnswerID: 279314   Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 02, 2008 at 09:07

Member - Matt (Perth-WA) replied:

Mike you didnt say if it is petrol or diesel...if petrol I would suggest getting it to a mechanic to do a HC test on the coolant. This will test for the presence of combustion bypass in the coolant from a blown head gasket or cracket head/block.

Have you looked for bubbles in the coolant as others have suggested...this a crude check to see if your pressurisation problems are due to gasket/cracks. The combustion pressure gets into the coolant and overpressurises and fills the overflow tank.

If you have replaced the radiator cap, checked the recovery hoses and there is an air-gap in the tank I would suggest there isnt anything wrong with the recovery system. The recovery tank is ost likely filling due to the combustion pressures.

The HC test takes five minutes and is very conclusive if you do suspect the gasket etc but if its diesel there will be no HC but there may be bubbles visible when running with the radiator cap off.

All the best

Matt.
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FollowupID: 543536   Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 02, 2008 at 17:08

mikeyprop3 posted:

It's diesel matt.

Just waiting for cool down after days work to look for bubbles.

It might be blowing bubbles from the bottom of the Swan River directly...

Thanks mate.
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AnswerID: 279324   Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 02, 2008 at 10:37

nowimnumberone replied:

another place to look might be the water pump on the way out
they wont leak all the time.
on the v6 there behind the timing belt covers in the middle of the motor and it has to travel a fair way before it comes out where you can actually see water leaking so tyhe problem is if its only a slight leak at the moment you might not see it yet.
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