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gerry cans BEHIND the bullbar,is it leagal???

Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 15:09

dagwill

i believe that fuel cans placed on the front off a bullbar is ileagal, but recently i saw a set up where this guy had moved his bullbar forward and had several jerrycans mounted behind the bullbar.

i rang transport dept to enquire but got connected to i think the rudest person i have ever tried to have a conversation with

NO NO NOT EVEN GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT,ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ,FORGET IT.

after several requests to simply explain to me any relevant regulations please, i hung up, and thought "well that was a waste of time"

does anybody know the relevant ruleing on such a practice
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AnswerID: 313272   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 15:12

Lex M replied:

What's in the jerrys?
Cheers

Lex M
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AnswerID: 313274   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 15:24

Wizard1 replied:

One needs to ask what would possess someone to want to put jerry cans behind their bull bar. I never ceased to be amused at some of the outlandish ideas that pop up on these forums.

You are going to block airflow to the radiator/engine and/or restrict the head lights. One of which is illegal.

Do you wonder why you got the reaction you did from the department of transport. I think there would have been a few belly laughs around the office after that call.
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FollowupID: 579317   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 15:36

Vivid Adventures posted:

Saw a cruiser or patrol with this arrangement on the Canning recently. I'd guess they weren't travelling at night.
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FollowupID: 579321   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 16:07

Member - Andrew (QLD) posted:

Saw a FJ40 (or possibly BJ40) hardtop yesterday in Brisbane with an extended bullbar and jerry can brackets (empty of jerry cans) behind the bullbar. I was only checking out this beast in detail due to it having its rego number stamped/painted on ALL glass panels, yet the rego number was different to that on the vehicle. LOL

Just asking to be stolen if left in the carrier around here. :-)

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FollowupID: 579339   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 17:30

Member - Kiwi Kia posted:

Wizard1, it depends on the vehicle. Many vwehicles actually get almost all of the cooling air from under the front bumper area and not through the grill. Get down and have a look sometime.

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FollowupID: 579393   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 21:06

Member - Matt H (SA) posted:

Ahhh Wizard1,
Knew you'd pop your head up for this one! Is it like asking the question whether you can tow more than one trailer, eh buddy?

Maybe you could come up with constructive comments from time to time, and forget including your obviously one eyed assessments of everything.(The saying "Jack of all trades, master of none" comes to mind).

I'd think most people on this forum ask questions in good faith, not expecting the cynical piffle that seems to eminate from your direction whenever a question is ask that you dont like!

As I have said before; cant seem to find your Member's Profile buddy, why is that?

How about you become a member and gain some credibility? Hell, I might even spot you the $50 and claim it on tax as a "donation to charity"!

Matt

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AnswerID: 313276   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 15:42

Mr Pointyhead replied:

I always wonder about the wisdom of carry Jerry Can's of fuel on the rear of a vehicle. Even a minor tap in the rear could result in a large fuel spill and potential fire.
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FollowupID: 579318   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 16:00

Member - Tony B (QLD) posted:

I think you would find most people will say the same. It is not a good place for jerrys even if they are water. Anywhere on the extremities of the car is not good. Regards Tony
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FollowupID: 579319   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 16:01

Member - Tony B (QLD) posted:

I think you would find most people will say the same. It is not a good place for jerrys even if they are water. Anywhere on the extremities of the car is not good. Regards Tony
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FollowupID: 579322   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 16:10

LGen1 posted:

That is the best laugh I have in a long time.
I can't believe what some people are thinking.
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FollowupID: 579334   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 17:16

Willem posted:

I carried 6 jerries of petrol for years under a false floor in the back of my old 4bies.

Only recently have I moved them (now 12 jerries) to the trailer. Now, in a worse case scenario I have a range of 1650km and on a good day 2310km
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AnswerID: 313285   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 16:52

dagwill replied:

thanks for replys all, but i cant help fealing just a little indignant at peolple thinking its a bit silly or even dangerous to carry diesel [which is relitivly safe,compared to petrol ] behind a bull bar.
anyone ever riden in an old Vdub where the whole fuel tank is sitting right out there in the crash zone. the tow layers of metal separating petrol from potential crash would not even totally euqal the thikness of a jerry can let alone the strength of the bull bar

anyway what really got me started on this is the following

i run my landcruoser on straight used vegetable oil [not biodiesel]
after doing a long trip with a mate and carrying 140ltr of oil in the back of the car, i said to myself "this is the pits,funnels standing around holding 20ltr containers and spilling a bit on my shoes etc
whent home obtained two old household gas tanks[out of date] and made a 160ltr tank. Pulled the bullbar off and mounted the tank horizontally just below the headlights, doesnt interfear with lighting or airflow while still giving me good ground clearance
i now have a range of about 1800ks
everyone i pass on the street or road look at thr tank as though it was a dead dog or somthing jet for some unknown reason police [and if passed quite a few] dont look twice
i scratch my head every now and then and say to myself HELL I WONDER IF THIS IS LEAGAL,,,,,,,,,still its cooking oil that makes it a food, there shouldnt be any hassel about carrying food in that position surely
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FollowupID: 579338   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 17:26

dagwill posted:

ive seached as many gov sites as i can cope with for now
itseems to me that yes it is a food but as it is fueling the vehicle it would have to be classed as fuel and i am thereby obliged to conform to rules regulating "fuel tanks"
however if i mount say a 50ltr tank underneath behind the transfer case and suck from there all will be fine , i can refill from the front tank but as long as the two tanks are isolated, the rear tank is a "fuel" tank and the front tank is food storeage
one reason i decided to mount it up front was wieght distribution,so now when i go away i have 160kg up front and prob 200kg in the back the feel and handling is far better now than before when everything was heaped in the back
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FollowupID: 579342   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 17:40

Dunaruna posted:

What state are you in? Some states exempt small quantities of fuel from the dangerous goods laws but instead put in clauses such as 'duty of care' which basically means that if you mount a jerry in the wrong place and it causes grief - you are responsible.
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FollowupID: 579345   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 17:56

dagwill posted:

S.A.
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AnswerID: 313289   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 17:10

Willem replied:

Me mate has been driving hos old truck like that for years and years. Keeps water in the jerries. The ones with fuel go up on the roof.

Here's me mates truck

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He doesn't drive after sundown.

I have a winch hanging off the front of the bullbar so its heavy enough up front.


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FollowupID: 579344   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 17:48

Crackles posted:

Well......... there's a classic rig from the late 70's although perhaps we should classify it in the "What not to do" section ;-)) Surely ya mate must have slept in the back to have so much hanging off the outside of it?
At 1.4 million Km's we should run a post to see if anyone can top it.
Cheers Craig............
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FollowupID: 579346   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 17:59

Crackles posted:

Well......... there's a classic rig from the late 70's although perhaps we should classify it in the "What not to do" section ;-)) Surely ya mate must have slept in the back to have so much hanging off the outside of it?
At 1.4 million Km's we should run a post to see if anyone can top it.
Cheers Craig............
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AnswerID: 313295   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 18:11

Mike Harding replied:

How does he flash people to let them know there is a speed camera about? :)
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AnswerID: 313297   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 18:14

DIO replied:

In the interests of driver safety and anyone else you might get involved (frontal) with I wouldn't recommend it. Police may also see things in similar way. Your decision.
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AnswerID: 313300   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 at 18:22

Member - Kim M (VIC) replied:

Instant Roo or Brahman cooked dinner!

Cripes.

Regards

Kim
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AnswerID: 313386   Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 08:49

Ray replied:

What would Mr. Scrooby say?
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AnswerID: 313400   Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 10:36

dagwill replied:

with all that cooking oil on board i have the oppertunity to deep fry any road kill that i may find along the way
and besides being a fuel ,it is in fact a food. ....now if i broke down somwhere horrid, i would in fact have something that would keep me alive,as long as i had water. A cup full of old cooking oil would not be very pleasant,to say the least,but it would keep me alive.
im of track a bit here
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AnswerID: 313401   Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 10:44

GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) replied:

Apart from everything that has been discussed here, there is the issue of a heap of weight being stuck way outside the wheelbase.

1litre = 1 kilogram for water, slightly more or less for other liquids.

2 jerries = 40 to 50 kilos extra. Could do bad things to on road handling and off road performance
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AnswerID: 313403   Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 11:24

Member - Rodney B replied:

We left Melb in 1968 for a trip around Aus in this LWB landy and used it for 20 odd years with 2 Jerrycans of fuel (petrol) on the bullbar. Never even gave it a thought as we scrub bashed all around the Cape, Gulf and Topend. Never ever had an overheating problem.
Don't think I would do it today but I still carry Jerrys on the roofrack when needed.

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FollowupID: 579500   Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 16:38

GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) posted:

The thing you had going for you, was that it was a Landy.
The front guards are just the right width.
Up to and including the 2a it didn't even interfere with the headlights

Beat that Toynisswoo!!
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