AnswerID: 348538 Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 10, 2009 at 23:42
You might have more wrong with it than just the gear lever seat
if the lever feels sloppy. I worked for two Toyota dealers when the 60 series was new and these seats caused more than their share of problems. They used to slowly disintegrate and the spring would then push the lever deeper into the box. This would result in the end of the lever binding in the selectors and making it very difficult or impossible to select some gears.
The lever always felt very stiff, not sloppy, even when the seat
was virtually gone and the pieces of it had fallen into the box. In order to feel sloppy I would imagine the spring would have to have either broken or lost its tension.
You may find the problem is all spring and there is nothing wrong with the seat
or it could be a combination of both. I suppose it is also possible for the cap to have come off and the only thing holding the lever in is the rubber boot and floor coverings.
Whatever it is you will have to have a look first to be certain.
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FollowupID: 616734 Submitted:
Tuesday, Feb 10, 2009 at 23:48
To be precise, I just looked at the report again and the word the mechanic used was freeplay. If this means anything to you please entertain me.
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FollowupID: 616744 Submitted:
Wednesday, Feb 11, 2009 at 01:56
Freeplay is another name for wear. The mechanic may be referring to an excessive amount of movement in the gear lever while in neutral. I just checked my Hilux (70,000 ks) and it has about 5 to 6 mm of forward or backward movement of the lever before you feel it touch the selector forks inside the box and start moving them. As the box gets older, that movement will slowly increase due to wear. When it gets to the age and mileage of the average 60 series, it could be three or four times that distance. It may also travel a lot further before it fully selects each gear.
The movement in yours will all come down to a combination of wear in the selector forks at the end of the lever, the other end of the forks where they sit in the gears, maybe the end float in the gears and a few other things.
There is nothing you can do about in your situation and there is nothing to adjust. Make sure it goes fully into each gear and does not jump out. If that is ok and there are no strange noises, then just get in and go. You can get a transmission specialists to check it at home.
If he wants to overhaul the box then get a couple of opinions. They have to be pretty bad before you have to think about overhauls.
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FollowupID: 616748 Submitted:
Wednesday, Feb 11, 2009 at 06:49
The vehicle has only clocked 200k and was test driven by the mechanic with no apparent trouble of any kind. This car looks like it has been babied from new, it is very clean and original and recieved an overall rating of 80% for body mechanical and interior. I have no doubts about the condition of the gearbox itself. I will talk to the guy who I'm buying it from for a more detailed explanation of what it is exactly doing. I have owned two older landcruisers with these transmissions and will know what to expect when I finally drive it myself. As Ross
explained above people have rebuilt these gearboxes because of the worn bush so it probably feels alot worse than what it really is (I hope).
Thanks and cheers,
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FollowupID: 616752 Submitted:
Wednesday, Feb 11, 2009 at 08:04
Everything has been well covered here to replace the bush, as stated it is an easy job, not much more than 30mins.
When the one in mine went (about 100k.km.) the most noticable thing was it slipping out of 5th. on overrun.
When I bought the bush from the local Toyota dealer was told it was the most popular replacement part they sold.
It looked as if the bush had become brittle, breaking up into several pieces (some of which had dropped into the box).
Possibly a reaction to heat and oil?
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