Gearstick bush Landcruiser 60 series

Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 10, 2009 at 19:43

Goldsahara

Hello People,

Firstly, I would like to express my condolences to all who have lost loved ones and property in the fires we all dread. It is a very sad time in our countries history. My thoughts are with you all.

I would like some information on the servicability of the gear selector when these bushes wear or fail completely. I have just bought a 60 series and will be driving it from Newcastle to Cairns as soon as the roads reopen. The mechanical inspection report suggests that the gear lever is sloppy and needs attention. Apart from that it is roadworthy.

Can the 60 series be driven with that part failed or is it an item that I should replaced before undertaking the journey. I am thinking of buying the part and taking some tools with me just in case.

I would appreciate some advice from someone who has performed this repair as to what tools are necessary to complete this repair in case I need to do it on the fly.

Thankyou.
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AnswerID: 348508   Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 10, 2009 at 20:40

peteC replied:

I could be shot down here, but I cant say I have ever heard of a gearbox failing because of a sloppy gear lever, and I have seen some pretty bad ones. In saying that Why would you make a long trip in a car with a known fault that you are worried about failing. Wouldn't you just change it before you went and not have the worry
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FollowupID: 616691   Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 10, 2009 at 20:47

Goldsahara posted:

I'm not worried about the gearbox failing at all. I'm worried that I might lose tha ability to change gears. I would like to change it before I go but if it seems servicable I will just drive and have the part and tools with me so I don't get stuck if it fails. I will only have a few days to complete the the 2700 km jouney so I don't want to be playing mechanic too much.
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AnswerID: 348509   Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 10, 2009 at 20:45

Member -Pinko (NSW) replied:

Hello Gold Sahara
Your gear lever bush is easy to replace. It is a soft material and blue in colour.
Take up the floor mat remove the screws that hold the rubber boot down, slide the boot up. There will be a cap that twists/rotates and has a spring under it to hold the lever located. Remove the cap then pull the lever out. Then you will see the cup shaped bush. Pull it out vertically and drop the new one in. Note: do this repair with the lever in neutral.
I replaced two in my 60 series in 800,000 Kms. The old girl will be quieter with a smoother gearchange.
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FollowupID: 616693   Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 10, 2009 at 20:53

Goldsahara posted:

Well if it's that easy, I'll fix it before I set off. Will I need any special tools? I am going to take a small socket set, few screw drivers, a rag and a couple of other bits and pieces. Thanks for the info Pinko.
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FollowupID: 616720   Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 10, 2009 at 22:35

ross posted:

The part costs about $10 last time I bought one.
You might need some tweezers to get the remains of the old one out.

Quite a few owners have been charged $3k for a rebuild when it was only this nylon bush.
The new one should be dome shaped,the older 4 speed had one with a squarish end
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FollowupID: 616722   Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 10, 2009 at 22:37

Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) posted:

Goldsahara,
I'm assuming you are a NQ local and are heading here to Newcastle to collect the 60 Series.

If you need some tools whilst you are here give me a holler and we can work something out.

Pinko is correct, it isn't a big job to change the blue bush. I've done it in an FJ40, HJ45 and HJ47.

Geoff

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FollowupID: 616725   Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 10, 2009 at 22:55

Goldsahara posted:

Hey, thank you very much for the offer Geoff! If I get stuck I'll holler but the car is located at Eleebana to be precise and the previous owner will pick me up at the airport and I'll make the repair at his house before I go. I should be able to do the repair myself with the tools I will take with me.

If you're ever up in Cairns, give us a holler.

All the best,

Jim.
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FollowupID: 616729   Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 10, 2009 at 23:10

Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) posted:

No worries Jim,

Eleebana is a very nice part of Newcastle on the shores of Lake Macquarie. (If we are technically correct it is in the City of Lake Macquarie which is to the South and West of the City of Newcastle)

It'll take the best part of an hour to get from Newcastle airport to Eleebana. Talk your driver into a run on Stockton Beach straight from the airport as you are literally minutes from the southern access at the airport.

By all means follow up on my offer if you need too.

Thanks for the offer in Cairns,

Geoff

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FollowupID: 616735   Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 10, 2009 at 23:50

Goldsahara posted:

Stockton beach sounds like fun. I'll see how we are for time, etc.

Cheers.
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AnswerID: 348538   Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 10, 2009 at 23:42

Splits replied:

You might have more wrong with it than just the gear lever seat if the lever feels sloppy. I worked for two Toyota dealers when the 60 series was new and these seats caused more than their share of problems. They used to slowly disintegrate and the spring would then push the lever deeper into the box. This would result in the end of the lever binding in the selectors and making it very difficult or impossible to select some gears.

The lever always felt very stiff, not sloppy, even when the seat was virtually gone and the pieces of it had fallen into the box. In order to feel sloppy I would imagine the spring would have to have either broken or lost its tension.

You may find the problem is all spring and there is nothing wrong with the seat or it could be a combination of both. I suppose it is also possible for the cap to have come off and the only thing holding the lever in is the rubber boot and floor coverings.

Whatever it is you will have to have a look first to be certain.

Brian
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FollowupID: 616734   Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 10, 2009 at 23:48

Goldsahara posted:

Hi Brian,

To be precise, I just looked at the report again and the word the mechanic used was freeplay. If this means anything to you please entertain me.

Cheers,

Jim.
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FollowupID: 616744   Submitted: Wednesday, Feb 11, 2009 at 01:56

Splits posted:

Freeplay is another name for wear. The mechanic may be referring to an excessive amount of movement in the gear lever while in neutral. I just checked my Hilux (70,000 ks) and it has about 5 to 6 mm of forward or backward movement of the lever before you feel it touch the selector forks inside the box and start moving them. As the box gets older, that movement will slowly increase due to wear. When it gets to the age and mileage of the average 60 series, it could be three or four times that distance. It may also travel a lot further before it fully selects each gear.

The movement in yours will all come down to a combination of wear in the selector forks at the end of the lever, the other end of the forks where they sit in the gears, maybe the end float in the gears and a few other things.

There is nothing you can do about in your situation and there is nothing to adjust. Make sure it goes fully into each gear and does not jump out. If that is ok and there are no strange noises, then just get in and go. You can get a transmission specialists to check it at home.

If he wants to overhaul the box then get a couple of opinions. They have to be pretty bad before you have to think about overhauls.

Brian


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FollowupID: 616748   Submitted: Wednesday, Feb 11, 2009 at 06:49

Goldsahara posted:

The vehicle has only clocked 200k and was test driven by the mechanic with no apparent trouble of any kind. This car looks like it has been babied from new, it is very clean and original and recieved an overall rating of 80% for body mechanical and interior. I have no doubts about the condition of the gearbox itself. I will talk to the guy who I'm buying it from for a more detailed explanation of what it is exactly doing. I have owned two older landcruisers with these transmissions and will know what to expect when I finally drive it myself. As Ross explained above people have rebuilt these gearboxes because of the worn bush so it probably feels alot worse than what it really is (I hope).

Thanks and cheers,

Jim.
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FollowupID: 616752   Submitted: Wednesday, Feb 11, 2009 at 08:04

furph posted:

Jim.
Everything has been well covered here to replace the bush, as stated it is an easy job, not much more than 30mins.
When the one in mine went (about 100k.km.) the most noticable thing was it slipping out of 5th. on overrun.
When I bought the bush from the local Toyota dealer was told it was the most popular replacement part they sold.
It looked as if the bush had become brittle, breaking up into several pieces (some of which had dropped into the box).
Possibly a reaction to heat and oil?
furph
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AnswerID: 349046   Submitted: Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 17:02

peteC replied:

Goldsahara if the 60 series doesn t work out let me know, I live 5 minutes from Eleebana and can sell you a 1989 ( last 60 series ) std petrol model with 210,000 km, one owner. Was my late uncles and not sure what I will be doing with it. $2800
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FollowupID: 617466   Submitted: Sunday, Feb 15, 2009 at 18:39

Goldsahara posted:

Hello PeteC,

Thanks for the offer but I already bought the other car and am very happy and its also a diesel which I was looking for anyway. But I have a friend who helped me out in Newcastle and is interested. Can you please get in touch and give me more detail such as, rust, service history, interior, paint, manual/auto, tyres, colour, accessories, lpg. djtoumbos@hotmail.com

Thanks.
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