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Submitted: Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 11:33

blueriderwa

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This article is aimed towards the motorhome/caravan traveller, but is equally relevant to anyone trying to make use of solar energy to power devices whilst on-the-road. View Full Article...
Hi All

I have a big solar panel on my camper but only 1 battery. I would like to add some battery power but i am not in a position to be able to mount the second battery at this tim because i am on the road.

If i was to buy another battery the same as the one i have and simply connect the 2 via jumper leads when i stop.

Will this provide the extra battery power i need?
Will the second battery charge off the solar panels if i do this?

I think the would be someone on here who can tell me what i need to do if this idea is not going to work, please let me know if you have a solution.

The reason we need more battery power is that the current battery is running out of steam within 1 or 2 days and not keeping up with the fridges requirements. We want to do a lot more free camps so need more power. Cheers Dave
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AnswerID: 389687   Submitted: Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 12:48

chisel replied:

Should work fine.
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AnswerID: 389691   Submitted: Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 13:31

Maîneÿ . . . replied:



#Will this provide the extra battery power i need? --> YES (2 better than 1)
#Will the second battery charge off the solar panels if i do this? --> YES

BUT:
I would NOT use a jumper lead !!!

Get some decent cable from an Auto elect and have him add the correct lugs at each end to suit each battery.

Leave them connected ALL the time (if possible) as it will then be recharged via the alternator when driving and the solar panel when stopped.

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AnswerID: 389708   Submitted: Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 15:27

arofs1 replied:

Provided the batteries are connected in parallel (+ive to +ive and -ive to -ive) it will work. I have done this on a few occasions when camping and it has worked and not caused any noticeable damage.

This will create significantly more more storage, but I wouldn't expect two not identical 100 AH batteries to equal 200AH of total storage as there will be some equalization between them.

The solar charging will also charge both batteries, but it is not recommended this system be used over a prolonged period as the batteries will not be identical and cause abnormal charging rates and thereby cause some damage to the batteries.

Brian DJ

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AnswerID: 389732   Submitted: Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 18:17

Mandrake's Solar Power replied:

Just wondering how "large" is your solar panel ?
It appears to be putting out less than the fridge is drawing ..
Perhaps it isn't "large" enough ??

Rgds

Steve
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FollowupID: 657504   Submitted: Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 20:08

bruce posted:

I agree with Mandrake...if your "big solar panel" is not putting enough power into the battery that you already have to keep it charged and to run your fridge or whatever ...another battery is not going to be much help ...how are you going to charge it ?
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FollowupID: 657521   Submitted: Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 22:06

blueriderwa posted:

Not sure if you blokes have noticed but we dont have sunshine 24 hours a day ;b (even in QLD)hence the battery has to hold enough power to get through the night, if you happen to get a day of cloudy weather or are shaded by a tree for part of the day you need to be able to store more power than 1 day. The solar panels are in total about 6' x 8' in surface area so are plenty big enough to gather the power needed to fill 2 batteries in full sunlight. The issue is our consumption rate but with a wife and 3 kids and myself we are always going to use a fair bit of energy. Thanks for your feedback.
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FollowupID: 657530   Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 06:17

Mandrake's Solar Power posted:

I think what we are getting at is - you are possibly tackling your problem from the middle rather than either end -
Either you put more power into the system or you take less out .. The extra battery is only going to give you 1 day extra - changing lights to LEDs or changing fridge to a good lower power consumption type will draw less from the existing battery and make it last longer - Alternatively adding an extra panel will put more power into the system and if sufficient would charge your battery as well as running the household electical items ..
Perhaps you could give us some numbers to work with ?
Wattage of the current panels ?
Amphours of battery ?
Current consumption of major electrical items - particularly fridge and lights ,,
There is a spreadsheet available for download in the members fileswao area
Solar Power Calculator - 2nd one down

Its not the absolute calculator but it will give you a very good guide .
Cheers
Mandrake
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FollowupID: 657539   Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 07:52

Member - Mike DID posted:

I agree with Mandrake...

Batteries only store power. If you're running out after a few days, then more power is going out of the batteries than going in (assuming the batteries are fully charged at the start.)

The ONLY options are to a) reduce power going out, b) increase power going in.
Mike R
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FollowupID: 657605   Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 17:11

Maîneÿ . . . posted:

another option is:-> Increase battery CAPACITY

You need enough 12v battery capacity to last 2 or 3 days when parked under trees or during inclement weather.

It's no value having a large capacity solar system of about 6' x 8' in surface area (~500 Watt Crystaline) and then not having sufficient 12v battery storage capacity to store the power created by the large solar system, as it will fully charge the battery system before lunch and then just trickle charge for the rest of the day.

However if the battery storage capacity is doubled or even tripled the 12v battery power will last much longer and battery system will still be fully charged by lunchtime anyway.

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AnswerID: 389757   Submitted: Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 21:07

Member - Mike DID replied:

Planning on using Jumper Leads is designing for disaster.

You have a serious fire and flying hot metal disaster as Jumper Leads are not insulated, are not fused and are not protected against reverse polarity.

There's also a good chance you have a poor connection with no charging.

Using an Anderson Powerpole connector with Fuses in the leads is the minimal requirment for safety and reliability.
Mike R
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