mppt solar reg

good evening all
we have purchased some solar panels that come with an average type reg
from what ive read mppt regs are the waay to go.
thing is they range from $85(ebay)to $1000.
what do i have to look for when buying one.
thanks heaps
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Reply By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2011 at 22:09

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2011 at 22:09
Hi numberone,

the problem here is clearly that you DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WAAANT (..read.. what you pay for).

Ok: in a 'true' MPPT, look for multistage battery charging algorithm which has been software optimised to accommodate the fridge during charging.
It's called cumulative absorption stage charging.
BTW there's only one MPPT on the market which can do this properly :)

Then, look for an external battery temperature sensor.
A comprehensive display would be nice, to show Ah, Wh, amps and volts of the solar panel and load.

A true MPPT regulator also allows you to wire your panels in series for best efficiency (minimises voltage drop in the panel wires), and the DC/DC converter inside the MPPT works at around 95% efficiency if the input voltage is about 2~3 times that of the battery.

Price tag?
In the two digit range.

Beware:
Wel.see e.g. isn't MPPT at all, you're being deceived.
Neither is Solar.ate, which has a fixed input/output voltage ratio.

cheers, Peter


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Follow Up By: nowimnumberone - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2011 at 22:28

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2011 at 22:28
thanks for that info
what i was looking at from jaycar is one of theese
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/POWERTECH-12V-24V-30A-MPPT-Solar-Charge-Controller-/130593661591?pt=AU_Solar&hash=item1e67fd2297
do you think this is any good
cheers
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Follow Up By: nowimnumberone - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2011 at 22:40

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2011 at 22:40
sorry that link didnt work
here are the specs
Microprocessor controlled MPPT
• 3-stage charging
• 30A automatic load control with low-voltage disconnect/reconnect
• LCD display,shows charging amps, load being drawn amps, battery voltage
• Two timers available for programming
• Includes temperature sensor for battery charging compensation
• Protection against over voltage, reverse connection, short circuit, over current, and over temperature.
brand is powertech mp3735
cheers

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Follow Up By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2011 at 22:58

Wednesday, Nov 23, 2011 at 22:58
no worries, the link works ok.

The giveaway can be seen in the specs:
Max PV open circuit voltage: 29V for 12V battery, 65V for 24V battery

What this tells you is that the ratio input voltage/battery voltage is fixed.
You can't use a 24V rated panel (which has an open circuit voltage of about 42V) without losing MPPT functionality, in connection with a 12V battery.

This controller belongs to a class of half baked MPPT units whose algorithm has been designed to run on cheap microcontrollers which lack the number crunching ability to perform true MPPT.

Second thing:
it mentions 3-stage charging.
But it doesn't mention the absorption-float switch over condition.
This is important because if it doesn't switch over when the battery is almost fully charged it'll cause dry out over time. And if it switches over too early, the symptoms of under-charging are slow capacity loss.

And it definitely can't do cumulative absorption charging which is the most battery friendly algorithm for regulators with concurrent loads during charging.

There's no battery temperature sensor either.
Measuring the temperature inside the unit is a cheap and crappy way, because the units can heat up significantly during operation.
E.g. we've tested the internal temperature rise on a 10A MPPT regulator at full current to be 25 degrees. In connection with a temperature compensation coefficient of -24mV/degree, that results in a -0.6V deviation from the rated charging end voltage.

You decide if this unit is worth the dough.

cheers, Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Thursday, Nov 24, 2011 at 00:28

Thursday, Nov 24, 2011 at 00:28
"It's called cumulative absorption stage charging.
BTW there's only one MPPT on the market which can do this properly", which is? Do you sell this unit? Thanks in advance. John
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Follow Up By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Thursday, Nov 24, 2011 at 07:33

Thursday, Nov 24, 2011 at 07:33
Yes John, we sell these little gems.
Software modified in the factory according to our specifications, hardware modified by us.

There's more information on our site which can be found under
'my profile'

cheers, Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Thursday, Nov 24, 2011 at 07:40

Thursday, Nov 24, 2011 at 07:40
John,

There are some good mppt controllers around, but I'd agree with Peter that there's currently only one that provides the optimum he has described. It is also reasonably priced.

He isn't permitted to "self promote" here, but see his profile for details. I've no connection. Just a well satisfied customer.

Cheers

John
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Thursday, Nov 24, 2011 at 19:06

Thursday, Nov 24, 2011 at 19:06
Peter, thanks for the link, will email you when I get home tomorrow with a couple of questions. Thanks in advance. John
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Thursday, Nov 24, 2011 at 21:03

Thursday, Nov 24, 2011 at 21:03
So Peter I take it your the only one who sells this unique MPPT regulator and it's the only regulator in the world that does it properly?

And it's cheap?

From your post "BTW there's only one MPPT on the market which can do this properly :)"
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