Tim Fitzgerald replied:

Hello Datman, re larger sumps,thats what i thought too however nissan only shorten the dipstick and put more oil in the original sump.

Ray replied:

Hi Nissan had a recall on the 3TD and modified the sump and put in the extra oil. Apparently the problem was only showing up in extreme Offroad. Mine was fixed and goes fine. Our 4WD has found that the Jap vehicles are very reliable and that the members with the British vehicles, although very capable offroad seem to have a quality problem that makes them unreliable, which is a pity. They have both disco's and defenders.
Ray
PS all vehicles have some problems when we start to use them to their limits

Bill Church replied:

Ah, another person foisting their opinion on others... Do yourself a favour, attempt to maintain your credibility, and stop rubbishing peoples' choice of vehicle. Why has this just started??? This forum used to be informative and non-prejucidicial. If this continues, it will end up just like the others, where there is far more brnad bagging than information. Bill

Bill Church replied:

Thanks for your reply, Fred. It's just a pity that it was not constructive. At no stage during this thread have I said that I have a Land Rover (which I do). If this thread had been someone attacking a Nissan or a Toyota, my response would have been exaclty the same. I for one hope against hope that this forum can remain conceptually pure. That it can be used for it's intended purpose, that of assisting each other by means of our collective experience. I feel strongly about this because I have seen too many forums degenerate into the typical brand loyalty fights, to the detriment and disappointment of those who wish to make use of the resources that the forum can offer. I hope that the members of the forum can bring it back to it's intended purpose. It is also worth noting (particularly for the owner/s of the site)that those on this forum have, at least to some extent, paid for the privilege of membership to the Exploroz group, and as such, any large group that left because of disenchantment with the forum would also be taking their business elsewhere!!! Bill

Jeff Harwood replied:

Bill, Fred and all that will read this...
I am the proud owner of a 96' Landrover Discovery V8, which I will add, is my 5th 4WD, including 3 x Landcruiser's and two Patrol's. There is good and bad in all makes and models, and to criticise the make and model's of fellow 4WD enthusiast vehicles is belittling and senseless. As an 4WD instructor, I have experienced all types of 4WD's in all sorts of situations and find the major source of complaint being the nut behind the wheel, lack of preperation, lack of maintenance and commonsense. Yes, all 4WD's have faults, but this site is available for all to gain information to be better able to enjoy this great land that we have, and to voice opinion, not bastardise each other. Keep up the good work EXPLOREOZ.

alreadytaken69 replied:

too true bill. I'm sure datman and goran have made no friends by boasting how their 4wd is better than your 4wd. my guess is they have no friends but each other.

Goran replied:

Here is another Landrover owner.I heard all of them got the secret handshake.
No wonder they wawe on the road only to each other, only they know what they are putting up with.

slunnie replied:

Hmmm. Diplomacy, courtesy and good-natured camaraderie I would suspect. Role models I would think.

alreadytaken69 replied:

hey WHO DARES WINS. haven't you heard? The SAS landed in NW WA last week but, thank god, were fought off by girl guides in a m1 hilux. oh, what a feeling....hmmmm, we're are my tablets.

Paul replied:

WHO DARES WINS,YOU ARE NOT WHIMP MATE, YOU ARE WALKING MALE ORGAN

Mick replied:

Better be carefull,who dares wins.I heard some of the Yugos are very good shot.

Goran replied:

Bob,if you know anything about survival in the bush you would know how valuable a firearm is out there.Not to speak about safety of my occupants.
But, person with your intelectual deficiency could not comprehand something like that.
Get your bruised ego and you sorry arse out of this forum.Do us all a favor

Goran replied:

Uncle bob, first i am not a Serb.
Second you dont have to worry about bumping into me in the bush because where i get to go, you in your British piece of crap would never get there on the first place.
Third AK style weapons are ilegal and ordinary hi power rifle is more than suficient for my needs.
My time is too valuable for me to teach you bush survival skills here dear bob, but here are some of the use and need for firearms in the bush.
On long trips by my self i like to be able to suplement my food supply if something goes wrong rather than to call for external help.
I also do a lot of pest control, due to stupiditu of your ancestors who introduced cats,foxes,pigs and alike into this sensitive ecological enviroment.It is people like me that help keep their number down and ensure good chances of indigenous species to survive.You would not comprehend this i believe ,as you strike me as a person responsible for some of the roadside bush daisies we all see so much this days.I bet you never wash your hands after either.You must be one of this city people who believe Troy Dann when he musters roos and relocates them from padock to padock.Dear bob that just does not happen.Just because you sit in your car and wonder into the bush it does not mean you are safe.Remember that German idiot a decade or so ago that shoot all them turists.Well bob i refuse to be a victim. Maybe the decades of inbreading in place you come from has robbed you of common sense along some other vital bodily functions,but even you know that we loose more people every year due to road toll than any other reason.Guns come amongst the last on the list.Please use that Landrover you got in a proper manner,and drop it on your had next time you change a tyre.
Cheers

alreadytaken69 replied:

un#######believable. ok goran, you win. you're the best. numero uno. top dog. big kahuna. king of the jungle. best 4b in the world. but really, what is your point in all this ridicule. ok, we acknowledge that rovers might not be the most reliable vechicle ever built. so what. are you just sick and tired of having to pull over and display some humanity to people less fortunate than yourself? is that it? or do you just get your kicks by insulting people on a web forum? man, I thought I had a bit of red neck in me but you take the cake. I acknowledge that a gun can be a useful tool in the bush but unless your a cocky, I hardly think its a necessity. I just hope your licensed (for each state you carry it in), you have permits to cull or permission from the landholder, and can get it out of its locked case quick enough to avoid being a victim. well, maybe not that last bit.
I have to admit though, it's been an education.

Goran replied:

Man,if you refer to my original question you will se that it is Bob who started with insults.

alreadytaken69 replied:

Guess wot mick, I don't own a Landrover.....japanese, buddy.