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Nissan GU2 Cluch Failure

Submitted: Friday, Jan 02, 2004 at 13:35

Philip_3096

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I have just had to replace the Cluch in my 2000 Model 3.0L Patrol at 110,000 Km.

Have you been tempted to slip the cluch to get the 3.0 Patrol moving under load? Treat your cluches with great respect and don't be tempted to let it slip!

While the Cluch Plate and Preasure Plate are priced at a fair price the Dampened Flywheel (that can not bee machined) is around $2K.

Which Rocket Scientist thought that using a Dampened Flywheel in a 4x4 was a good idea? Don't Laugh, apparently many new cars and 4x4 are coming out with these very expensive flywheels...

I am very interested to see if others have suffered the same fate.

Have you fitted or had fitted a new Engine Management Computer or any of the other add ons to help overcome the lack of grunt down low?

Philip.



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AnswerID: 41564   Submitted: Friday, Jan 02, 2004 at 14:28

Truckster (Vic) replied:

Its not uncommon with GU 3.0's. Know of about 8-10.. One went at 50,000 and he was told by Nissan dealer he should be happy with that! I nearly dropped dead!

and yes you can get the flywheels machined.
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FollowupID: 304070   Submitted: Friday, Jan 02, 2004 at 15:10

Philip_3096 posted:

Interesting comment about the flywheel... My dealer assured me that they can not be machined. I have still got the old parts and I will follow this up. Any further details?

Philip

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FollowupID: 304090   Submitted: Friday, Jan 02, 2004 at 20:09

Truckster (Vic) posted:

Nissan Dealer in Geelong was the one that found it for Steve.

Note: one in our club died in the last 2 mths, his was actually too far gone.
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AnswerID: 41576   Submitted: Friday, Jan 02, 2004 at 16:51

Member - JohnR replied:

Philip, don't know about clutches in 3.0l Patrols but my Rodeo has had three clutches so far and not yet 60,000 kms on the clock.

Search the forum on Dtronic and find posts like PostID: 3543 to see what is said.Regards

JohnR - Not enough of the right travelling, some here..... some over there.......
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FollowupID: 304091   Submitted: Friday, Jan 02, 2004 at 20:11

Truckster (Vic) posted:

"my Rodeo has had three clutches so far and not yet 60,000 kms on the clock. "

Warranty?? If not I'd sell it!

My 90 Mod Rodeo 2wd had 300,000 HARD klms on it, on std clutch...
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FollowupID: 304093   Submitted: Friday, Jan 02, 2004 at 20:46

Member - JohnR posted:

Truckster, when conditions improve in the industry will do just that.

Dealer response is that the ute gets "abused" and so would not perform. Certainly didn't endear me to the product. Would probably look to a different Nissan to replace that one.Regards

JohnR - Not enough of the right travelling, some here..... some over there.......
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FollowupID: 304094   Submitted: Friday, Jan 02, 2004 at 20:49

Truckster (Vic) posted:

Have you contacted Holden about this? See if they are "willing" to stand by their products..

Failing that I would spread the word on every forum, club, paper, car magazine that they suck....

20,000 out of a clutch, even if abused is crap!

Hope it gets better for you in the industry Mr...
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AnswerID: 41580   Submitted: Friday, Jan 02, 2004 at 18:28

maverick replied:

Nissan refers to them as 'Dualmass' flywheel (so does the transmission industry). Very common in marine application to reduce vibration. Also becomming common in alloy high rpm vehicle engines as they tend to vibrate both themselves and everything else to pieces if the all around them is not dampened. These particular ones in the GU Patrol are of 2 metals (or that is what the rumours are) so anything with 2 metals can be machined if you can find the right place - and we are talking heavy machinery places here, not the local vehicle service centre. Try a CAT (or similar) dealer. Also this issue was raised in this forum 06July2003 by Donald. As for GU clutches - the number of 'new' 4WDs (and not just GUs) requiring clutch changes is starting to get up there in sufficient numbers for there to be a bit of look into just what is going on. Surely not all the people driving these vehicles are stuffing them up? rgds
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FollowupID: 304088   Submitted: Friday, Jan 02, 2004 at 19:49

Philip_3096 posted:

Thanks Maverick for the info. I am sure the lack of low end grunt in the turbo diesels has something to do with the excesive clutch wear. I have owned 3 diesel 4x4 previously and I did not have a clutch wear out in less that 160,000 Km in any of them. One did over 250,000 Km.

Regards Philip
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AnswerID: 41588   Submitted: Friday, Jan 02, 2004 at 19:55

David N. replied:

Yes, I believe lack of cubes has a lot to do with it.
Son's Diesel Gemini has 300,000k's on the original clutch, my Patrol 4.2 Diesel has 200,000 also on the original clutch, both clutches still going strong.
It obviously pays to look after them, eg: when backing my boat or 'van I use low ratio (2 wheel drive as the hubs are not locked in) thus avoiding slipping the clutch much at all.
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AnswerID: 41597   Submitted: Friday, Jan 02, 2004 at 21:37

Eric Experience. replied:

Philip and others.
The eperdemic of clutch and brake rotor fialures is due to the banning of asbestos from both. Some friction material manufactures are trying glass fibres and metal fibres but nothing is as good as asbestos. In the rally cars we have to run ceramic discs riveted on to the clutch drive plate, makes for interesting driving as they don't grip until they are hot and then there is no slip, the flywheels are made from a very hard steel and the pressure plates are faced with a hard sheet. As a matter of interest most engineering shops can make up a flywheel or modify 4.2 to fit the 3L.
Eric.
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FollowupID: 304103   Submitted: Friday, Jan 02, 2004 at 22:13

Philip_3096 posted:

Eric,

Thanks for the comments, I wonder if a traditional Flywheel was fitted to the 3.0 how much more vibration there would be? I hope the clutch manufacturers have worked it out before the next $4.5K replacement.

If some of the other comments about the early Patrol 3.0 engine are a guide to what I face in the future, I may not see the next clutch change out. Pitty, I still like the rest of the Patrol...

Regards Philip
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