Toyota Landcruiser 100 series

Submitted: Sunday, Jan 04, 2004 at 15:32

Biggy

I have just test driven a Landcruiser 100 series - Standard Model. 2001 Diesel with 67,000kms. The dealer price was $39,000. As I am new to the 4wd world - the test drive seemed ok, it has no added extras yet but we would consider getting snorkel, bull bar etc.. We need to be able to tow 24ft caravan (around Australia) - the dealer says it would be capable. We were considering a Patrol but have been reading all the negative feedback on this site so are equally interested to know the pros and cons of this model.
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AnswerID: 41738   Submitted: Sunday, Jan 04, 2004 at 18:18

CraigQ replied:

I have a 2000 model 100 series standard model and found that it tows anything without too much trouble, that is until you hit a hill or a slight incline. As a result of this I am now in the process of having and aftermarket turbo fitted to it at a cost of over $3000.

I would say that if you were going to tow a van that size you would have to go for the turbo option.

If i were you I would seriously consider the DX 4.2 factory turbo patrol as these have numerous standard features such as the turbo, central locking, wide wheel pack(Factory Option), drivers standard airbag and other minor features and you can usually pick them up for the same price or less than a Cruiser.

I am more than happy with my cruiser except for the cost of fitting all the extras the patrol has as standard. Turbo $3000, Central locking $500, wide wheels $1000 etc.

Go to the auctions and you will pick up either of the 2 vehicles for around $4000 cheaper than a dealer.
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AnswerID: 41740   Submitted: Sunday, Jan 04, 2004 at 18:37

chapo replied:

Buy it Biggy, you wont regret it. The standard cruiser with live axles and free wheeling hubs are excellent off road and are superb towing vehicles.With the aftermarket turbo on mine, fully loaded 4 adults on board and towing a large off road trailer with all the gear, just back from a 15,000 klm trip delivered an average of 13.4 lt per 100 k. and didnt miss a beat.They are smoother, quieter and suffer less problems than Nissans, and retain their value much better when you want to sell it. so go for it.
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FollowupID: 304196   Submitted: Sunday, Jan 04, 2004 at 19:20

Biggy posted:

Chapo,
Just wondering if you decided to get the after market turbo because you travelled firstly without it and were not happy or if you had it fitted straight away when you got it - if so why?? Don't know if we can afford the $3,000 for the turbo straight away.
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FollowupID: 304278   Submitted: Monday, Jan 05, 2004 at 16:21

Chris (W.A.) posted:

Biggy,

I'm not denying diesel is better hence I'm dropping a 1HZ in next year in place of the 4.5L petrol.
Just remember you're better off sticking with a genuine toyota turbo on it instead of an aftermarket one.
It may cost more (I think) but it's built to work with the tojo motor. Two friends of mine who are mechanics said that the safari turbos/non tojo tend to overwork the 1HZ dramatically increasing the risk of a cracked head.
I think the brand new cruisers fitted with the aftermarket turbos can even possibly void the warranty if something blows up but don't quote me on this.

Regards,Nice southerly coastal fishing trip someday.
Chris
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AnswerID: 41761   Submitted: Sunday, Jan 04, 2004 at 22:24

Mark replied:

I had an 80 series standard diesel that tows an off road van (~1.6T). The 1HZ motor is the same as the 100 series, except the 80 had less weight to cart around. Due to its lack of power towing I fitted extractors and a 2 1/2" exhaust and still struggled on any sort of hill.

However, as a 4WD it is one of the best vehicles ever made. Mine had 33" BFG's, front locker, winch, snorkel, 2" lift etc... and would go virtually anywhere. The 100 series is essentially the same and will give years of reliable service.

But... I have recently sold the 80 and purchased a new GU 3.0 TD Nissan. The towing ability of the 3.0TD has to be driven to be believed. One cannot even begin to compare it to the 1HZ with extractors to a 3.0TD. A test hill of mine had the 80 series dropping from 70 in 4th gear to 60 up a steady incline. The Nissan was also at 70 but I changed up to 5th gear and was accelerating (slowly) past the 90 limit before easing off. The general ease of towing with the GU makes for SO much more relaxed driving that I wished I had changed years ago.

I am absolutly wrapped with it and am glad I did not listen to the knockers of the GU 3.0TD. There is plenty of bad press about the 3.0TD, but after you listen and talk to real owners of 3.0 GU's, you will find that all the problem engines are the early 3.0's (which did have issues) and ex-govt/mining/police vehicles that have been used and abused. I have only come across one original owner from new who had a problem, and the Nissan warranty looked after him. I also have spoken to heaps of 3.0TD owners who are also wrapped in their vehicle.

You will hear a lot of the Nissan/Toyota rivalry and I think thats a good thing. But there is also TOO MUCH uninformed comment about someones mates brothers uncles toyota/nissan that had a problem with the widgit. Make sure you speak to the actual owners, as everything else is hearsay.

Also, do the research yourself. I drove the Toyota 100 series 4.2 TD and the Nissan 3.0TD back to back and there is not much in it. Sure, the Toyota has a slight advantage, but one would not notice it unless driven back to back!!! Given the $20,000 price difference, that paid for all the extras plus a hefty slice of $$$ left over. I looked at buying a standard 100 series and fitting a turbo, but Toyota told me it would voisd the warranty, not just the motor but also the gearbox, diff axles etc... There is NO way I am buying a new vehicle and not getting a warranty. I did consider a 2nd hand 100 series and getting a turbo, but as I get fleet discount, it was cheaper to buy a brand new 3.0TD than a 60,000km 100 series and add a turbo. Plus i now have a 3 year warranty.

If you are going to tow a 24ft van around Oz, I would NOT do it in a standard 1HZ motor. It will make towing a real chore. Sure, its been done many a time, but you want to be able to drive easily, not worry about every incline along the way.

Good luck on your quest

Mark
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AnswerID: 41809   Submitted: Monday, Jan 05, 2004 at 12:58

Ralph2 replied:

Hi Biggy, I bet your confused now, Mark missed the point I think, you are talking about buying a second hand vechile an't you,and in that case I would'nt touch a 3lt Patrol, I had one from new mid 2002 it lasted 10mths before major engine problems, sure Nissen looked after me, but I never trusted the vechile again out bush,( always in the back of your mind) sold it 4mths later.If you can't afford a turbo just plod along take your time,
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FollowupID: 304265   Submitted: Monday, Jan 05, 2004 at 14:14

Member - Peter [SA] posted:

Hi Biggy, I must agree withRalph2, Nissan warranty may have looked after the unfortunate owners of the earlt 3lt TD, but it doesnt help you much when you are out the back of beyond. What price piece of mind? My diesel mechanic who is very knowledgeable once told me " for absolute reliability dont buy ANY turbo diesel". I bought a 100 series standard wagon and have never regretted it.
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FollowupID: 304294   Submitted: Monday, Jan 05, 2004 at 19:10

Mark posted:

Ralph2, I think you misunderstood 1 point. It is CHEAPER to buy a brand new nissan (with fleet discount) than a 2nd hand 100 series with 60,000 on the clock + add a turbo. Plus, the Nissan came with free roo bar, tow bar and IPF spotties and has the 3 year warranty.

I was in the same dilema when I wanted to replace my 80 series. The 1HZ is a great motor, just not that powerful. Plus, if you add an aftermarket turbo, you now have a high compression indirect injection diesel that should NOT be boosted too high. I was contemplating turboing my 80 series rather than selling it, but after some research decided against it.

There are far more blown 1HZ aftermarket turboed motors than 3.0TD nissan motors. And there is NO warranty on an aftermarket turbo motor, unlike the 3.0TD. Check out the 80 series websites and see the pictures of the cracks in the pre-combustion chambers. Plus, toyota void the warranty on the ENTIRE drivetrain if a turbo is added.

The 100 factory turbo is a "low compression" (~17:1) direct injection with common rail pump and extra oil galleries. This motor is totally different to the 1HZ and their power and fuel consumption figures are totally different. Pity it is only available on the IFS 100 series, not on the live axle 100 series.

As Peter says, a non-turbo motor is more reliable, but only because there is one less item to go wrong, not because of the inherrent design. Virtually all long distance truck motors are turbo diesel, and they last for 1,000,000 kms between rebuilds. But then again, there is the odd one that breaks done.

At the end of the day, one has to accept that NO motor can be guarranteed to be 100% reliable. I agree that the 3.0TD may not be as ultimately relaible as the good old 1HZ, but far more people get stuck in the outback with tyre issues than any other problem (motor, clutch, blown turbo etc...).

As an overall package, I felt the GU III 3.0TD was the best for my situation, hence my decision. It is no 'show pony" and is used as a 4WD should be. It is equipped with Barrett HF radio, GME UHF, EPIRB, GPS etc... amongst the other 4WD things (33" Cooper ST, winch, dual batts, cargo draws + barrier, water tank etc...) and is well setup for long distance outback touring.

I am glad you are happy with the 1HZ motor, as I was when I had my 80 series. It is a great motor, just not powerfiul enough IMHO for long distance towing.

Cheers

Mark
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AnswerID: 42295   Submitted: Thursday, Jan 08, 2004 at 23:29

joshinthecity replied:

Good on you Mark.
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I have the same truck as you, and love it as much as you love yours.

Josh 3.0 GU IV.
32,000klm, and lovin it.

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