TD 100 Series Landcruiser IFS 2003 Torsion Bars

Submitted: Friday, Jan 09, 2004 at 16:58

Member - Paul T

Guys

Has anyone out their who owns the same vehicle as mine,(2003 TD 100 IFS Landcruiser) fitted beefed up torsion bars to their truck.

I am thinking of adding a bull bar with winch (ARB Sahara and 9000 Warn) which will almost certainly play havick with the current front end set up ( koni adjustable shocks with the original Torsion Bars wound up around 40ml).

Therefore I will probably fit some beefier torsion bars to handle the extra weight and stop the nose dive, but I am concerned that the extra strain might damage the attachment points where the torsion bars are fixed to the chassis.

Any info and personal experience would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers and thanks.PT
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AnswerID: 42380   Submitted: Friday, Jan 09, 2004 at 18:21

Member - Ross replied:

Paul

I don't have one, but I'd tend towards caution and check the implications with the stealer. It could have dire effects on any warranty issues which may arise.
Just a thought ...

CheersFidei defensor

Rosco
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AnswerID: 42386   Submitted: Friday, Jan 09, 2004 at 19:28

Member - Peter replied:

I've got a friend with an auto TDI IFS 100 series.
He has been told that currently no one offers heavy duty torsion bars and those companies that did have withdrawn them from the market.
He has had it for about 6 months now.
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FollowupID: 305597   Submitted: Friday, Jan 16, 2004 at 23:53

Member - Paul T posted:

Peter

Thanks for your reply. Lovell and Rancho make the beefed up torsion bars for the 100 series IFS and still seem to be available.

CheerePT
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AnswerID: 42437   Submitted: Saturday, Jan 10, 2004 at 07:15

mudman2 replied:

Paul

i have a 2004 Sahara (petrol) and i am having the same bullbar and winch fitted by ARB next week, i'll let you know how it goes... i had the same setup on my last vehicle (2001 GXL) and had no problems with standard suspension... over 120,000klms although it wasn't IFS...

steve
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FollowupID: 304866   Submitted: Saturday, Jan 10, 2004 at 08:01

Member - Paul T posted:

mudman2

Thanks for your reply.

I will be very interested to see how your front end is affected. Doesn't the Sahara have height adjustable suspension in the front and back, unlike the GXL Cruiser which only has torsion bars?

Look forward to hearing from you.

Cheers
PT
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FollowupID: 304869   Submitted: Saturday, Jan 10, 2004 at 08:10

mudman2 posted:

Paul

no, as far as i know the only height adjustable suspension from toyota now is on the lexus 470

steve
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FollowupID: 304871   Submitted: Saturday, Jan 10, 2004 at 08:36

Member - Paul T posted:

Steve

Did you have the bar colour coded?

Lets us know how you find your new bar and wich, especially how it affects the height of your front end and the handling.

CheersPT
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FollowupID: 304904   Submitted: Saturday, Jan 10, 2004 at 16:32

mudman2 posted:

Paul

i was tempted this time, but no, i didn't go for colour coding as i use the car offroad and it would only end up with an awful lot of scratches in it..

i found that the last one (not colour coded either) was perfect, even after many thousands of klm's of outback and bush driving (including roo and sheep strikes) it still looked terrific when i traded it.. the colour helped a lot in hiding all the marks...

i'll certainly let you know of any discernable difference in the handling \ performance of the vehicle that i detect..

steve
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AnswerID: 42444   Submitted: Saturday, Jan 10, 2004 at 08:25

wheeler replied:

Paul
A friend of mine who works at ARB has told me that will have torsions to suit IFS 100 this month. Apparently they are extremely well priced.
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FollowupID: 304870   Submitted: Saturday, Jan 10, 2004 at 08:33

Member - Paul T posted:

Wheeler

Thanks for the info. Can you tell me which ARB?. Iam in NSW Newcastle area.

CheersPT
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AnswerID: 42619   Submitted: Sunday, Jan 11, 2004 at 22:49

Member - Robbo replied:

Paul
I have a 100 TD (late 2002) with IFS . we fitted heavy duty springs with LTR OME shocks with a 35 mm lift on the front and 50 mm on back.also fitted colour coded Shara bar with Warn winch.We have travelled a lot of Kms off road in all conditions with out any problems.
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FollowupID: 305038   Submitted: Monday, Jan 12, 2004 at 16:55

Member - Paul T posted:

Robo

Thanks for your reply.

Just a bit more info if thats OK. I gather from your reply that you left the front torsion bars standard and added the LTR OME shocks to the front ( as well as the back).

Also did you notice any difference with the front end in terms of steering etc after you added the bar and winch.

Thanks & CheersPT
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FollowupID: 305073   Submitted: Monday, Jan 12, 2004 at 21:40

Member - Robbo posted:

Paul

The Shara bar, winch , LTR OME shocks and heavy duty springs were fitted at the same time. the vehicle handled very well if any thing the steering is a litle bit lighter maybe due to the lift and heavy duty springs.
we tow a KK camper with a heavy ball weight and with a lot of gear and it does not change the ride.

hope this helps ( from South Australia ARB on Main North Road did a great job )

also we kept the original torsion bars.

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AnswerID: 43268   Submitted: Friday, Jan 16, 2004 at 19:44

mudman2 replied:

Paul:

i have just got my sahara back after the fitting of the bullbar \ winch \ towbar and the only difference seems to be a 10mm drop in the height of the front end... only time will tell if it will go further but i don't expect it will... the GXL i had had no problem in that regard ...

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FollowupID: 305596   Submitted: Friday, Jan 16, 2004 at 23:50

Member - Paul T posted:

Steve

Thanks for your reply. It is that 10ml drop in the front end that has me a little concerned as it may affect handling and clearance in difficult situations. I have heard the IFS front end bottoms out on the stops easily on tracks with close undulations (probably a Nissan owner)

I will go ahead with the Bar and winch installation but will probably fit a set of beefed up torsion bars to keep the nose up, and hope the added stress doesn't cause problems with the chassis attachment points.

I know a guy who has the 100 TD IFS who is involved in the tag-along trip industry. He gets back from holidays on Monday so I will give him a bell and see what he has done/is doing with his 3 100 TD IFS touring trucks, as they fit heavy bars and wiches on the front.

If you are interested I will keep you informed.

CheersPT
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FollowupID: 305651   Submitted: Saturday, Jan 17, 2004 at 17:50

mudman2 posted:

Paul ..

i have loaded all my recovery gear into the back this morning (it goes wherever i do) and it has had the result of evening out the sag .. now the entire vehicle rides 10mm lower all round...

and i'd certainly be interested in any more information you get on it..

thanks

steve
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AnswerID: 45120   Submitted: Sunday, Feb 01, 2004 at 23:27

Landcruiser replied:

Hi there,

I have a 100 series TD with IFS...

I know exactly what you are going through because i went throught the same thing a little while back!!!

I have an ARB Deluxe winch bar and a 9000lb winch...

I changed my suspension through ARB and got 65mm in the rear (i went for the 200kn rating in the rear) and only 35mm in the front...

I did not change the torsion bars because i could not get a straight answer from anybody as to the result i could expect so i got the original ones wound up as far as they could go.....

I was told by many retailers and manufacturers that by changing the torsion bars i would eliminate some of the sag, but i could not be guaranteed any lift... Many places told me that i could only expect 10 to 15mm of additional lift... i guess you need to decide weather it is worth spending the money on something that is just guesswork.....

The other thing that you need to consider is where your torsion bars are set at the moment... if they are already wound up, then you will get very little difference in the result...

In the end, i did not choose to upgrade the torsion bars because of the cost vs uncertainty...

Let me know how you go with it all!!!

Cheers,

Landcruiser.....

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