Bumpy ride

Submitted: Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 01:05
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took my old cruiser towing an older type caravan on trip to wheat belt (WA ) , the pitch of the caravan was very bouncy , sideways ok but from fore to stern quite noticable , had on 4 stabaliser bars sorted of shaped like a shepherds crook , one end fits in hole sort of part of the towball block and flat end sits on a tray parallel with the draw bar, now was running 36 in the front tyres and 40 in the rear tyres , on the caravan ( tandem ) had 40 all round .Was the tyre pressure on the caravan tyres too high and was contributing to the uncomfortable ride ??
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Reply By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 06:59

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 06:59
Hi Brian. I have the same problem towing my 22ft van with a Prado. I use a Hayman Reece WDH as well. I think the weight of the draw bar (Towball weight ) contributes to the jarring effect but the only way I can see to alleviate the bumping is to fit a flexible type tow hitch. There was a link on this forum some time ago to a flexible hitch from the US but I can't find it now. I don't know if it was fitted whether the WDH would work together with it though. Bob
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Reply By: Member - peter & dawn m (QLD) - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 08:11

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 08:11
i had the same problem in a roadstar sunset we got second hand it had 2 barreries mounted in boot at front which weighted 48 kgs and a warning sign boot weight not to exceed 30 kgs hidden behind hoses , the batteries were not in good condition so aft are couple of long trips we replace them with a couple larger sealed batteries & moved them under one of the seats in van just in front of the of the wheels resulting in a lot better ride might pay to check how you load your van and try to keep heavy stuf nearer the wheels . swampy
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Reply By: Ross M - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 08:31

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 08:31
Because of the extra inertia which has to be controlled, the shock absorbers on the cruiser might be stuffed and if you aren't aware or detect them to be a bit slack then the additional demands for body control will be noticed.
There may be nothing at all wrong with the van and towing setup.

I am very aware of shocker performance because that is what makes a vehicle dynamically roadworthy or not. When I towed with two different caravans, the fitting of GOOD shockers made a large difference to the pitch control.

Towing usually means that better than OE shocks are needed.

When the chips are down it is usually the shocks which didn't provide control which added to the vehicle instability before and accident.
The Monroe adage is , "Don't discover your shock absorbers are worn by accident".

Ross M
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Reply By: Old Dave - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:10

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:10
Hi brian

When we first got our princeton 652 i left the chain length the same as the pop top

and found it very bouncy for and aft i then went to 5 spare chain links from 4 links

and found it rides great now.

Regards Dave
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Follow Up By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 20:10

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 20:10
Dave, I guess you mean the WDH chain. At first I thought you meant the safety chain and I'm thinking, WT. Bob
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Reply By: member - mazcan - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:44

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:44
hi brian
a few years ago when i first stated towing my 16ft single axle old viscount van with my standard jap suspension and shocks i found my mazda bravo dual cab even with gear in the back tray was bouncing and wollowing around that made hard work of driving so i added 1 extra leaf to the rear springs and fitted toughdog foam cell shocks all-round and was amazed at the stability i gained from this aplication it stopped the bounce and wollowing and turned the vehicle into a very stable tug
and this was without wdh
i think that you will find the the old cruiser is the problem as ross suggested
put some new after market shocks on it
you say old cruiser but havent said how old or how many km's try standing on the towbar and jump it up and down if it starts bouncing easily just with this action
its a sign your shocks are shot
cheers
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Follow Up By: member - mazcan - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:48

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:48
hi
forgot to say
also if yr Lc has leaf springs ?? your shackle bushes might need replacing ??
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:59

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:59
mazcan
I see you have experienced similar things.

If the vehicle bounces up and down at the back it is the rear shocks at fault but in addition to the rears, if the front shocks are not dampening then that's when the real pitching sensations start.
A shocker which will pass a roadworthy isn't usually very good.
If you can move the vehicle and get any bounce at all out of a landcruiser then the shocks are not fit for purpose.
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Follow Up By: member - mazcan - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:13

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:13
hi
ross yes its important that the front suspension be in good condition as well
i should have made that more clear otherwise a loose front end will give same unstable effect
cheers
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 13:14

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 13:14
Few realize it is the front suspension which is most important, I believe that is also the end most people like to use to steer the whole thing along the road and is the end most forgotten because it is a long way from the caravan.
It couldn't be anything to do with the front steering or suspension or shockers could it? Nah, don't even think of it.
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Reply By: Brian - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:27

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:27
Thank you everyone for your input , the tojo is Hj 61( very old but oh so reliable ) wasnt aware that the shockies were gone , standing on the tow bar and trying to bounce it is almost non existent ! But no doubt the whole suspension needs to be checked out .
no one commented on the tyre pressures i am using ?!
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 13:23

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 13:23
G'day Brian.
The vehicle I had was also a HJ61. Because of the rear overhang on a 60 series the weight of a caravan does affect the front up/down oscillations unless the shocks are good. It effectively rotates the body around the rear axle.
I agree, best to check it all out. I found Old Man Emu shocks to be almost no help after they had done over 40,000km. I went through 3 sets and changed to TJM. The TJM felt far better at 20,000km than the OME did new. Trying to bounce a HJ61 is fairly hard to do and cannot be done by a single person.
When you go over a bump and the front or rear axles bounce more than 2 times then the shocks may be poor in performance and have less ability to control the body weight and axle oscillations.
If it can't control itself it is going to struggle to control the added effect of a van.
Cheers
Ross M
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Reply By: Brian - Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 22:56

Monday, Oct 22, 2012 at 22:56
Thank you Ross, you have been very helpfull
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