Portable Battery <span class="highlight">power</span> <span class="highlight">packs</span>

Hello out there!
I'm hoping to get some advice from the 'oarcles' of all matters regarding 4WD and camping please.
As my GU patrol is now old with high k's I'm reluctant to spend $$$ on it installing a second battery!
But am looking at the option of portable battery power packs, advantage being, I may keep the pack when upgrading my vehicle in the future.
I have come accross 3 types which appeal due to value for money being - a Waeco, an Engel and a Bush Master.

Was wondering if anybody out there has had god/bad experiences with them please.

Cheers pete
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Reply By: SDG - Monday, Oct 29, 2012 at 20:08

Monday, Oct 29, 2012 at 20:08
When I enquired about the Waeco battery at a shop once, the shop assistant showed me a deep cycle battery, and a battery box. Was cheaper, and the battery had a longer charge use.


What are you planning on using it for?
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Follow Up By: Peter G20 - Monday, Oct 29, 2012 at 20:23

Monday, Oct 29, 2012 at 20:23
Thanks for that. I'm just planning to use it to power my 39 litre Engel rather than fire up the genny over night and late arvos.
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Follow Up By: SDG - Monday, Oct 29, 2012 at 20:28

Monday, Oct 29, 2012 at 20:28
My 40litre Waeco on a standard start battery (nz something) will run continous for 6 days.

I'm only using that battery because I got a few for free. A deep cycle would, and should work much better.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Monday, Oct 29, 2012 at 20:32

Monday, Oct 29, 2012 at 20:32
I would also go that route. When you remove the equipment from your present vehicle you have most of the bits for a dual battery set up in your next vehicle.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Monday, Oct 29, 2012 at 23:04

Monday, Oct 29, 2012 at 23:04
Waeco 40 litre runs continuous for 6 days on a standard start battery??
Are you sure? It must be set to run at almost ambient temperature!

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Follow Up By: SDG - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 at 08:15

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 at 08:15
Set for between zero and five degrees, outside was low to mid thirties, fridge is sitting outside camper, under shade, full ventilation. Battery was charged by 240V multistage charger before using.
On the sixth day, (so technically five and a half days) the fridge stopped working from not enough power. Had the fridge set to turn off at the lowest power.
Also had enough frozen stuff in it initially so as not to be forever boosting.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 at 09:04

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 at 09:04
SDG, you were not using the fridge in a typical manner. You were using it as a poorly managed freezer. You would not get anywhere that life out of your battery if you had used it normally as a refrigerator or properly working freezer. I consider throwing your original figure in is tantamount to lying or misrepresentation at the very least. How about redoing the tests, running you unit as a properly working freezer or fridge and posting the results so as to regain your credibility.
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Follow Up By: SDG - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 at 09:49

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 at 09:49
What is a typical manner in which a fridge/frezzer is used? Even a fridge or freezer in the home is only used to maintain temerature, once the desired temperature is reached. I see no difference in what I did with the Waeco, compared to what is in the house, except for the initial freezing of my cooked meals.

Four days I get with an empty fridge, set at 5degrees, sitting in my kitchen, without being opened and closed, without, the aid of anything cold. And it was always kicking in and out. Is that an accurate test of functionality?



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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:34

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:34
A bit harsh in your wording PeterD but I do agree..6 days in 30c????
Now my 10 year old 40l Engle may not be as technologicly advanced as a Waeco but using it as a fridge only the best I can get in those ambients running from a 105AH fully charged DC battery is about 2 1/2 to 3 days depending on use before a low voltage cutout shuts off the power.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 at 14:03

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 at 14:03
Even though 5 degrees is really a bit warm & the fridge was really being used like an esky at the beginning, I still struggle to comprehend 6 days usage at 30 degrees ambient.

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Reply By: pop2jocem - Monday, Oct 29, 2012 at 20:42

Monday, Oct 29, 2012 at 20:42
Peter,
Do any or all of these battery packs have the ability to be charged from the vehicle or do they have to be connected to 240v? If they need 240v to bring them up to speed maybe an extra battery connected to the vehicles charging circuit may be a better option unless you want to take the Waeco away from the vehicle.
As has been suggested, just take that extra battery and cableing out when you upgrade.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Peter G20 - Monday, Oct 29, 2012 at 21:07

Monday, Oct 29, 2012 at 21:07
Yes they can be charged from the car's cigerette lighter or u may fit a recharge circuit to the car.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graeme W (NSW) - Monday, Oct 29, 2012 at 22:23

Monday, Oct 29, 2012 at 22:23
From my experience with the Engel 56battery pack, the charge rate through the cigarette lighter is not enough. The instructions for mine say 2 to 4 amps, dropping to 1amp after an hour or less.

Without the recharge circuit being fitted to your car you really have to be driving more hours a day than you are stopped or the battery will be depleted after about 4 days of driving.

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Reply By: Mick O - Monday, Oct 29, 2012 at 22:34

Monday, Oct 29, 2012 at 22:34
Graeme W has hit the nail on the head. The charge rate you gain from the vehicle through something like a cigarette lighter is insufficient to adequately charge the battery and/or to charge the battery in a manner that it should be charged. The result will be a diminished battery life and reduced power for your needs.

Solutions may involve a DC-DC charger or an isolator situation in which case you are back at the vehicle fitted auxiliary battery scenario anyway. There may be a way to produce adequate charge by running it direct from the vehicle battery but again, you will need to ensure that you have cable of sufficient capacity to provide adequate charge. What strain this puts on the main cranker I am also unaware of. I’m sure someone will know.

A vehicles cigarette lighter fitting is rarely of sufficient capacity to provide a long term or even safe option for charging a fridge.

Good luck with it all.

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Reply By: Racey - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 at 09:46

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 at 09:46
I currently have a 40ltr Engel which we run as a freezer. This is connected to a 75 ah "Thumper" battery pack charged from the the cruiser via a Red ark relay,which is not satisfactory. Theoretically, the 75 ah battery should have the capacity to run the Engel for around 15 hrs when operating as a freezer. Freezer operation places a high demand on the battery. Operating overnight I have discovered on a few occasions the battery voltage down to 10.5 volts, which is basically FLAT. When travelling and staying off road and not unhooking the van, I leave the Anderson plug connected between the van and cruiser. The 2 van house batteries supplement the Thumper; whilst is works, it's not ideal.

Apart from the actual load on the battery, the problem is the Thumper never gets fully charged. Car alternators don't produce enough voltage, plus the volts drop in the cabling; this can be overcome fitting a diode in the alternator sensor circuit. However, I feel this will only create long term problems with the main vehicle battery(s) being over charged in high temperature under bonnet conditions. In the next week or 2, I will be installing a DC-DC charger. In hind sight I would install a 100 + ah battery to provide a greater safety margin and install the charger from day 1.

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Reply By: Member - Greg H (NT) - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 at 18:15

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 at 18:15
Pete.

I have a basic setup.
Have run heavy cable to the back of the tub which is connected to a Waeco battery pack. (Bought as seconds through Waeco). Up front have a redarc isolator. All fused by 30 amp fuses. This set up runs my 60l Waeco for almost 12 hours depending on temperature. When I connect the camper trailer, the fridge is also run by the trailer battery. (100 amp). With this set up I can get about 4 to 5 days before it needs recharging. If I am staying longer than 3 days the solar panel goes out or if it is cloudy, I start the car up for upto half an hour.
With the Waeco battery I don't use the cigarette sockets and have rigged it so it is all connected with Anderson plugs.
It's not the optimum, but it works for me.

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Reply By: Peter G20 - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 at 18:32

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 at 18:32
Thanks Greg.
There is an anderson plug option you can buy with the 42Ah Bush Master battery power pack and i can have it set up in a similar manner to yours.
What size battery pack is your WAECO?
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Follow Up By: Member - Greg H (NT) - Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 at 21:05

Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 at 21:05
Pete.

It was the standard pack they have, 36 amp if I remember rightly.

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