warthog posted:

Thanks Andrew, I'm interested in running it, but it's not available in Alice and I don't have the spare time or knowledge to make my own at the moment. Perhaps it's viable to freight it in in 44's?
There was an interesting show on 4 corners recently about fossil fuel co's influencing governmental policy. They are no doubt also busy behind they scenes slowing/eliminating the roll out of biodiesel. Hopefully when we move from here and I have a bit less on my plate I can make my own.

Member - TPM (SA) posted:

G'Day Andrew ,

Where do they sell it in Adelaide ? Can you mix it with standard diesel with no problems ?
Just wondering if I filled up with the SD drove to Adel, had 1/2 a tank left.Filled up with BD and mixed it would it be ok ?

Cheers

Tim HJ61 (WA) posted:

SAFF sell a blend.

Yes, you can mix it.

Tim

Member - TPM (SA) posted:

Thanks Tim

Cool 61 series !

My old troopy had the 2H, still makes me weep to think I traded it in a moment of weakness :( 320 k on it and still going strong , tough as nails those motors, sorry gotta run cant type with red eyes !!.........

Member - Andrew W (SA) posted:

SAFF sell B20 (20% Biodiesel) and call it Premium Diesel (it still meets the Diesel spec) at ALL SAFF outlets.

Their sites.

They also sell B100 (100% Biodiesel) during summer and a high content blend during winter (they call it Biodiesel) at their sites at Martins Plaza and Market Fuel Centre at Pooraka.

Where are you? You might be interested in the Adelaide Glycerine Cooperative.

Ciao for now
Andrew.

Member - TPM (SA) posted:

Thanks Andrew

Central Yorkes or Croydon

I will definately check it out.

Member - George (WA) posted:

Looks like there is only one outlet in WA - Mundrabilla. From Perth it will only take 2 days to get there and a couple of fills
Cheers

Member - Andrew W (SA) posted:

Sorry George. Look, if you're coming this way drop by for a beer!

Member - George (WA) posted:

Thanks Andrew, will do that but may be 12 months or more away
Cheers

Member - Jeff M (WA) posted:

I'm running Biodiesel in the surf in Perth, I buy it in 44 Gallon drums from a guy in Bullsbrook. If you do a search on this site there is a thread with his number in it from a few weeks ago.

Tim HJ61 (WA) posted:

So how's that supplier working out Jeff? It's been a few weeks now hasn't it?

BTW, I just picked up 120l of lovely cottonseed oil from my fishychippy friends. I pumped it out of their waste drums whilst still warm with my rotary drum pump, will filter it then use it.

Tim

Member - Jeff M (WA) posted:

Well I ran it a few days on Biodiesel, but then my missus went up north for work so I've been using her company car ever since (free fuel is better than cheap fuel!!). She got back last night, so the surf will be fired back up again soon, I'm also going to Wedge next weekend, so that will be a good test for it.

Member - Jeff M (WA) posted:

Actually I will ad one other thing... The surf is not a smokey diesel, well not since I removed the safari snorkel restrictor, put a decent exaust on it closed off the EGR and reguarly used Nulon Injector cleaner, in fact it very rarley make smoke unless I really give it a hiding at high revs and then it spits a small amount out.

However, it always blew a massive cloud of BLACK smoke on startup. Didn't matter if it was warm, cold, glowed or not glowed, half a turn of the engine to start or 5 turns of the engine to start it always did it. Seeings as 95% of the time it start within to turn of the engine I figured it was nothing to worry about and probally the ECU choking it or somthing to start it.

But on Biodisel it blows a very small cloud of a grey smoke that smells like fish and chips and you can varley see it unless you start it and then run around to the back and look for it.
That's gotta be a good thing...

Member - Andrew W (SA) posted:

Hey Jeff,

If you let the glow plugs warm up by putting the ignition "on" before you turn the ignition to start (you may already, but in case you don't), you will reduce the smoke on starting and it should start easier.

Biodiesel is a much cleaner and burns much cleaner - typically white smoke totally non-toxic and which is probably just unburned biodiesel.

Ciao for now
Andrew.

Member - Andrew W (SA) posted:

they should have said:

fuel quality is an issue for your fuel supplier.

Talk to SAFF - they will give you a consumer warranty on their fuel.

I've never had to call on it, but they are retailing it, and fully aware of the Trade Practices and other obligations - I have spoken with them.

Ciao for now
Andrew.

Alan H posted:

Good one Steve I was just going to contact the main stealer about making and using it in my Td5 and now don't have to. Maybe the filtration system isn't up to it for biodiesel and they're probably in league with the oil manufacturers anyway.
Apparantley if you make your own you have to pay excise to the fed government and no doubt the states would want to get their hands on a bit more of our hard earned as well.
Good incentive to motorists to cut back on the use of fossil fuels but we can expect nothing else from any of them.
Alan.

Member - Andrew W (SA) posted:

There are people on the www.biofuelsforum.com running it in TD5s for a long time very happily.

I recommend you speak with them.

Excise issues are a bit of a problem in the make your own department but I am sure there are a lot of people making it under the radar.

Ciao for now
Andrew.

StephenF10 posted:

Alan, I suspect the real reason is that they haven't bothered to test biodiesel and are covering themselves. I can see the reason for not approving home brew as there is no formal quality control, but commercially produced bio is becoming more readily available at the pump. If, as Andrew said, SAFF are giving a consumer warranty it should be good enough for the vehicle manufacturers to give commercial biodiesel the green light (or very good reasons why they cannot).

Stephen.

Alan H posted:

Thanks for the info fellows. I'll follow it up and if viable and can make it to a high standard will give it a go.
I've always been a believer in avoiding paying tax whenever and will be again if possible so good luck to those that can.
Cheers.
Alan.

Member - Andrew W (SA) posted:

SAFF experience has been my experience. Improves performance.

SAFF buy their fuel from Andrew Hill's Rutherford operation in NSW - Australian Biodiesel Industries I think and are very much interested in quality.

Biodiesel Association of Australia or Australian Biodiesel Consultancy or (Adrian Lake's mob) may not be producing fuel at their Gosford NSW plant to the same quality or he may have some other reason for keeping expectations low. Seems counter to everything I have read too.

Most of all it is a negligible contributor of greenhouse gases (net effect) and SAFF is involved in ensuring their operation is net zero by planting trees and the like.

There is a vibrant Perth Biodiesel community - just without a mainstream fuel option at the moment to my knowledge, but get in touch with them (through www.biofuelsforum.com) and see.

Ciao for now
Andrew.

cokeaddict posted:

I agree with SAFF as well.
I have found nothing but improvements for my GQ running biodiesel.

I have posted these in here over the past few weeks, things like...
Smoother idling
more power low to mid range
engine running cooler
engine starts up much quicker

I am due for an oil change in around 800 kms, I am looking fwd to it as i am sure i will see some im provements in oil quality too. From waht i have heard from others using biodiesel for over 20,000 kms now, most agree the engine oil lubrictase the engine better for longer. Time will tell.

Ange

Eric from Cape York Connections posted:

Andrew just had a look around your web site. Looks good.

All the best
Eric

cokeaddict posted:

sjp, cant help u there mate but do some research, if u have access to used oil, ur way infront. Al u need now is some free time to make the stuff. I can assure u though, once ur set up, u will save heaps on fuel costs.

If ur interested....check this out http://www.sydneybiodiesel.com/

these guys have been making it for years, they r very helpful too. Might give u a better understanding of whats involved.

Ange

Member - Andrew W (SA) posted:

Hi sjp,

You'd get about the same volume as pure veg oil and a little less than the same volume of waste veg oil but you do have to put in 25% methanol (some of this is recoverable but costs) and some catalyst - KOH or NaOH (Caustic soda) which is quite inexpensive.

Usual cost in Australia for no cost WVO including heating costs ends up being about $0.20-0.40 per litre.

Ciao for now
Andrew.

sjp posted:

now doesent that sound good ,dunno if iam game to put it in the cruiser but ive got a couple of tractors ,1956 fordson and a backhoe in the same vintage that i will try on for a start

Member - Andrew W (SA) posted:

They'll need synthetic (rather than natural rubber) fuel pipes/system ...

Best to check first ;-)

sjp posted:

ohyea ,forgot about that ,the backhoe leaks enough gear oil as it is ,dont want the fuel pump to leak also,the pipes seem to be steel,just the pump gaskets i quess