Our Troopy Set-Up

Monday, May 24, 2010 at 18:03

Member - John and Val

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Troopys are very capable and adaptable – not overly beautiful or comfortable, but big, powerful and pretty much unstoppable. They are a purposeful vehicle, that once committed will see the job through to the end. Some have argued that these admirable qualities could be seen in a different light - obstinate, pigheaded and won’t take no for an answer. Clearly Troopys are male and should be referred to as “He”, never “it”, certainly never “she”.

Troopy owners set up their vehicles for particular purposes including for camping and extended travel. We’d like to add to the pool of ideas on this subject, and in what follows we describe our approach and solutions. Hopefully, given that Troopys haven’t changed much in the past 20+ years, some of the ideas may benefit others. The process of adapting and optimizing never stops of course, so we aren’t describing an end point, rather the travel towards somewhere we’ll probably never reach. We have learned that compromises are often required, and that – big though Troopy might be – ultimately space is limited. Wherever possible things should have multiple uses, take up the minimum of space and be as light as they reasonably can be. Cost is also a consideration, as is ones ability or inclination to improvise and “do-it-yourself”. As we are definitely in the DIY category we have arrived at what is - for us - a practical, comfortable set-up. Importantly, the process of getting Troopy set up has given us a great deal of satisfaction and enjoyment, a real bonus.



How you set your Troopy up depends on your intended use. We are an active retired couple who enjoy remote area "grey nomad" trips. We use our FJ75 Troopy for self-contained camping. We have had him for over 20 years, having bought second hand – in his previous life he was a police vehicle. Over that time we have gradually evolved the layout to suit our needs and budget, adding and modifying as our travel experience increases. We have traveled in all states, on lots of dirt (and sand and rocks and gibbers and corrugations and even bitumen!). Trips have ranged from a weekend to 4 months (20,000 km).









Our "design" objectives as they have evolved.

We wanted
· A flexible arrangement so that the vehicle could meet “everyday” transport needs when not in the bush.
· To be able to sleep in the vehicle with an easily erected enclosed space for privacy, and protection from the elements when required.
· Communication gear for emergencies and to keep us minimally in touch with the wider world.
· Electrical storage/generation to allow at least a week of refrigeration and lighting without burning fuel or using mains power.
· A good comfortable bed ready to crawl into at the end of the day.
· Easily accessible table and chairs, food, cooking and fridge, good camp lighting.
· Easily accessible tool kit, recovery gear, axe, shovel, torches, first aid kit......
· Minimal gear (weight) on roof, preferably avoid towing any trailer.
· Capable of carrying at least 50 litres of water, 2 spare wheels, inflatable boat…
· All essential functions achievable by one person if necessary without assistance


These requirements came out of our experiences using a tent for sleeping and carrying our gear in big plastic containers. (We learned early the disadvantages of using cardboard cartons – they tend to dissolve when wet!) This system was OK for short trips, but gear can get pretty disorganised and precious time, energy and patience is taken up in setting up tents, beds, cooking gear etc. Once we figured out how to install a bed in the vehicle the rest followed.


The bed base:

The 11 seat Troopy has 8 seats in the rear cargo area. These we removed and Troopy is now registered as a 3 seat panel van, thus avoiding the need for the quarterly inspections required of buses in NSW. Our insurance company has also been informed that Troopy no longer meets the factory specification. We've mounted 50x50x3mm aluminium angle running full length from the front seats to the back doors, bolted to the rear seat mountings on the sidewalls, about 0.5m above the floor (high enough to clear the fridge). The bed base (about 1.5m x 2.1m) is from 12mm chipboard riding on this aluminium angle. The base is cut into three equal sizes pieces, all running full length across the vehicle. The centre panel is reinforced front and back using 25x40mm aluminium angle on the underside. The front and rear panels overlap the centre panel by about 12mm, so only require reinforcing to the front of the front panel and back of the rear panel.(By mounting the sections in this way, they can concertina in the event of a rear on collision.) The centre panel is bolted to the supporting aluminium angle, and the front and rear panels are hinged to the centre one so they can be raised to give good access under the bed. We've fitted gas struts and stays so the hinged panels can be lifted and easily secured in the raised position. When down they are secured by a rotating tab that clips underneath the aluminium supporting angle, ensuring that gear stored under the bed stays there in the event of a roll-over. (We aren't planning on testing this!) Raising the panels does not disturb the bed on top.



Roof rack

When we first ventured into the more remote areas we decided that it was prudent to carry two spare tyres, and for this we needed a roof rack. We have tried a few generations of racks, starting out with a small lightweight thing that was quite inadequate. Then we went to roof bars with strengthened brackets, but these cracked very early on.


Eventually we designed a steel rack that we had welded up for us. Although heavy, this has performed extremely well over a number of years. It has 4 cross members from 32 mm square tube to which is affixed C channel to provide “drawer runners”. This arrangement creates three bays, the front two of which allow items to slide into channels. The back bay has extra bars to support an extra spare tyre or wheel bolted into place. There are two mesh baskets – the rear basket holds four jerries that we need when going remote. The front basket can hold a 10 litre plastic water bottle. The front bay carries 2 solar panels mounted face up one on top of the other. That way one is always active but both can slide out to be used at a better angle when we are stationary. The second and biggest bay has a slide-in floor that carries one of two canvas“back packs”. One of these holds the electric outboard and other accessories for our inflatable boat, while the other simply holds the extra gear that is not required too often.


Along each side of the rack is a square tube into which slides the U shaped tent frame. Each of the cross members is sleeved internally with plastic conduit and houses a standard tent pole. A strip of sail track down each side allows us to fix an awning made from an ordinary heavy canvas window awning. The metal awning roller forms the outer end and has a couple of holes drilled to take the tent poles, so it can be tensioned using 2 tent pegs and ropes. When rolled up it is secured with Velcro straps and occys.



Tent:
When required, privacy and protection from rain is provided by a small tent (1.5m x 1.8m). To provide shelter quickly if it's raining, the canvas is stored where it's easily accessible from the small back door. The canvas is supported by a metal frame that slides out of the roof rack and 2 tent poles that travel in the cross members of the roof rack. The tent is a re-work of a larger tent – good quality canvas, and with windows and doors already provided. There is a skirt going underneath the back of the vehicle, but no floor, so its not wind or insect proof. The tent is held on to the vehicle by shock cord and occy hooks and goes up/comes down in about 3 minutes. While not very big it has served its intended purpose very well. We also carry a free standing tent for those occasions when we a staying put for a while, and we don’t want to have to take Troopy’s tent up and down each day. A freestanding tent also helps to secure your campsite when you are out exploring.


Bed:
To minimize weight and for easy removal we have used a pair of 150mm foam mattresses, side by side, over which the bed is left permanently made up. The bed is surrounded at night by blackout curtains strung on a continuous loop of occy strap that goes onto hooks above the windows. Curtains can be removed and stored in a few seconds so we don’t have to drive with them covering any part of the windows. Insect mesh covering half of each of the rear windows allows fresh air without bugs. Insect screens for the front windows are made from fiberglass mesh cut to shape and with strips of the magnetic material used for vehicle signs and fridge magnets glued on with silastic. Reading lights, speakers and pockets against the roof above the windows to hold odd and ends add further convenience.


Drawers:
As Troopys don’t have doors opening to the sides of the cargo space, access to the middle of the cargo space below the bed is a problem that we have met by installing drawers. We wanted room for a fridge plus space at least 620 mm wide, since many items (barbecue, tools,…) are made to fit a 600 mm footprint. Space was very tight, so drawer runners were a critical consideration. (Commercially available drawers we’ve seen use rails and rollers on the outside of the drawers – these cost up to 50mm of width, more than we could afford to lose.)Our approach to drawers involved boxing in the wheel wells to provide the parallel walls between which we run two drawers. Steel plating (1.6mm) was affixed to the floor beneath the sides of the drawers to provide a smooth bearing surface. We used a single large ball bearing race as a roller protruding about 6mm downwards from the base in the middle of each drawer wall. (Next time we'd use strips of high density PVC as a continuous bearing surface.) The plating on the floor is indented at the rest position of the rollers, so the drawers drop down and rest in the indents when fully closed. This system works well, though a fully loaded drawer is pretty heavy. The drawers occupy the back 2/3 (about 1.5m) of the cargo area, the front 1/3 being more readily accessible from behind the seats.


To keep weight down we avoided using steel frames and heavy ply that is commonly used. Our drawers and boxing are built with 6mm MDF walls and 12mm ply bases glued and screwed with wooden cleats reinforcing the corners where necessary. This construction method avoids metal-to-metal rattles and squeaks. An aluminium frame supports the base of the fridge and the “kitchen” shelves are from 12mm chipboard. Everything is painted to keep moisture out. We were not optimistic about the lifespan of these drawers, expecting them to vibrate apart. They have however survived with minimal maintenance for over a decade and 100,000's of kms in all conditions, including some of the roughest tracks going.


Layout and water:
There are two drawers, one wide enough for the fridge, the other occupying the remaining width (just over 600mm). By pulling the drawers out about 0.6m, the inaccessible "middle third" of the cargo space is brought into the accessible "rear third" position. On each side, boxes encase the wheel wells and run for most of the length of the cargo space. These hold less-used items – spare belts, tubes and hoses etc, with axe, spade etc, within easy reach. They also hold ten 3 litre water bottles just inside the rear doors. The smaller (fridge) drawer can hold 2 x 25litre water drums, buried deep. We’ve adopted readily accessible 3 litre bottles as our day-to-day supply – when remote traveling we aim to refill whenever possible regardless of water quality. Some water is pretty poor quality, so not only do small bottles make good use of available space, we avoid polluting our bulk supply. We can always discard poor quality water if we get a better offer. (You may need a few litres for Troopy if disaster strikes and Troopy isn’t too fussy about quality at such times.)


The “Kitchen”:
Bulk food and utensils are stored in plastic containers (preferably square ones rather than round to maximize storage space) in 600 mm wide plastic tubs within the main big drawer (see photos). Frequently used items and utensils are housed in smaller plastic boxes in the kitchen shelves. While it took a bit of trial and error and shopping around to find containers of just the right size, the end result is very space efficient and getting access to a snack or a meal is as easy as opening Troopy’s rear doors. (You get some funny looks in a supermarket when shopping by measuring the dimensions of containers, with little regard for their contents!) We mostly cook with gas, outside the vehicle. Gas bottle and stove are easily accessible and only take a moment to set up. Table and chairs slide into the face of the main drawer, so all that is required for lunch is a shady tree. Cooking is done on a 2-burner gas stove – unless we are able to have a campfire in which case we use a small folding BBQ and/or a camp oven.


Bathroom.
That’s easy when in a caravan park – but we don’t use parks unless it’s absolutely necessary. When bush camped its good to have some basic amenities, remembering the need to avoid getting soap etc into waterways and to leave no mess to spoil the area for others. Water can often be scarce too, especially in desert areas.


So we have a folding toilet seat and a small shovel, usually burning paper, depending on circumstances. Basic washing can be done using a dish and a sponge, but it’s not as good as a shower. We have tried a few types of shower and now often carry two. The black solar showers don’t seem to work too well – slow to warm up and the rose only gives a thin dribble of water. We have a collapsible canvas bucket to which we have fitted a hose, tap and a proper showerhead. An angled bracket that slips into one of the cross members of the roof rack allows it to be hoisted high enough to give a good flow. Even better is one of the cheap 12v pumps that drops into a bucket of warm mater. We warm water over the fire, or if need be on the gas stove, and find that a good shower can be had with less than 3 litres of water, though we do use more if it is available. When modesty demands we can shower in the tent at the back of troopy or use a light tarp rigged up along one side of the vehicle.



Electrics:
Our fridge (Waeco 39 litre) draws about 3.5 amps when running and runs for about 1/3 of the time when running as a fridge. (If freezing, this may rise well above ½ of the time.) With this load a 100 Ah battery will power the fridge and camp lighting for 2 or 3 days. We carry 2 solar panels giving 145W solar capacity and two batteries giving about 200 Ah storage. Provided the sun smiles, this is more than sufficient for our purposes. Note that if installing any battery inside the vehicle, it should be very well secured and must be a gel or AGM type to avoid having liquid acid inside – quite apart from legal and insurance considerations, this would be seriously unfriendly in the event of a Troopy being accidentally upside down.

A solar array is more than just an expensive convenience. Some means of charging a battery may be essential to permit starting the vehicle, or calling for help, if reality departs too far from expectations. On one occasion when the alternator died, we even traveled with the panel powering Troopy's electric ignition!

Lighting – we have found 12V halogen lights excellent. A 20W dichroic type provides ample camp light around the vehicle. Mounted on a base housing a strong magnet, it can be affixed to the vehicle wherever needed. Bed lights use miniature 10W halogen bulbs. Though not as efficient, halogen lamps provide much better quality (whiter) light than fluorescents or LEDs.

The electrics are wired so that either of the auxiliary batteries, or as a last resort, the vehicle’s own battery, may power the camping gear, CB and HF radios. Either of the auxiliary batteries can replace the cranking battery in an emergency. . The main charging of the “house” batteries is through a 30 amp dc-dc charger from Troopy’s alternator. This charger is arranged so that, in an emergency, it can be easily reversed so as to charge Troopy’s cranking battery, or run Troopy’s electrics, drawing charge from the auxiliary batteries and solar panels. For efficiency, all wiring is very heavy gauge. It is run in the walls with extra insulation and for safety, readily accessible fuses are installed close to the batteries.

For additional information see our blog, Electricity for Camping.


Communication:
We have fitted a UHF CB, which will reliably reach anyone listening within about 5 km, and depending on terrain and elevation, maybe even 20km or more. This is good for convoys, local chitchat and local emergency use. We have also fitted HF radio that can provide national coverage through the networks, and access to the RFDS. The excellent VKS737 network (a volunteer based HF radio network run by/for 4WD travelers) will pass messages to members, as well as keeping track of their whereabouts and providing communication in the event of an emergency.


For last resort we have carried an EPIRB, now outdated, and to be replaced by a GPS PLB before we go seriously bush next. A mobile phone, next G on Telstra is useful around civilization and along highways. It can double as a modem so where there is enough signal we can plug in the laptop to do essential emails and other online business.


Wheels and Tyres
For many years we got by with the standard split rims and LT tyres and tubes, though we seemed to get our fair share of flat tyres. Eventually we decided to change over to tubeless tyres on 15 inch steel rims, and this has greatly reduced the number of flats that we get. The ride is softer, and the fatter footprint a major advantage in sand or mud. We adjust tyre pressures according to road/track surface. We started out with a very small compressor, but upgraded to something Chinese with a bit more grunt that has worked well. Using strings, minor temporary repairs to tubeless tyres are much quicker and easier than repairs to Troopy’s normal splits.


Mobile mapping, OziExplorer, laptop.
For many years paper maps, brochures and a guide book or 3 seemed to get us there and back fairly adequately. Our first GPS, a small hand held unit seemed like a bit of a gimmick until we tried out OziExplorer and from then on we were hooked on moving map technology. We quickly found that trying to use our largish laptop in the front of Troopy was not practicable. So in short order eBay yielded up a secondhand HP ePC and a 9inch touchscreen. . (The ePC is a miniature desktop computer,now very dated, with an external power supply, which we replaced with a 12V laptop supply.) With a fair bit of experimentation and innovation these were duly mounted and coupled to a miniature keyboard and a mouse style GPS. The handheld GPS found its way into the backpack used when exploring on foot. This system worked reliably with few difficulties for over 6 years, though we often wondered why when blowing out the dust, and thinking of the corrugations that the hard drive had endured. It has now been replaced by a slim older style tablet pc (HP TC1100) running Ozi in windows, saving valuable space while providing a larger screen. This unit even travelled with us to Britain recently (regretably without Troopy!) to guide us around that island. Its only limitation is that the display is not as bright as we would like.

We still carry the laptop, partly as a back-up for the GPS, but mostly so we can download and edit photos and log on to the internet when within range of the Telstra network.


Recovery gear
When we first got Troopy over 20 years ago, we thought that a winch would be really useful. We found a great big heavy unit that could only be fitted by extending the bull bar quite a few inches forward. This winch has only once been used for a real recovery, although it has had a few workouts in other circumstances. But the extended bull bar makes an ideal place to carry firewood when on remote tracks, and this capability is something we use very often.

We also carry a high-lift jack, and this too has seldom been used. When we joined our 4wd club and did our 4wd training we were introduced to snatch straps (and their imerits and inherent dangers) and these, together with rated shackles, have been used on quite a number of occasions to assist others.

The other essential is a solid long handled shovel. The chassis of a venerable Troopy has a hollow pipe cross member below the radiator, an ideal place to carry a long handled shovel secured by a thumbscrew.


Trailer
In 2009 we set out on a 4 month trip, the longest that we have so far undertaken. A Troopy with nothing dragging behind can go almost anywhere, so we have resisted the idea of towing. It was decided though that on such an extended trip a bit of extra space might be useful. So after a lot of looking we found what seemed to be an ideal trailer. It is a Road and Track off-road trailer with rugged chassis and a moulded fiberglass body with lockable gull wing covers making it light, secure and dust-proof. One side is simply storage space, while the off-side is given over to a kitchen with 3 way fridge, gas stove, sink/work bench and storage space. We modified it a little – replacing the ball coupling with a fully articulated off road hitch, fitting a battery and new lights with independent wiring from Troopy to the fridge and battery. It has carriers for two jerry cans, so on our trip which took in some remote country we were well equipped, even to the point of kitchen duplication and excess capacity to carry gear, minimizing the weight on the roof rack.

The trailer performed well and proved no encumbrance to Troopy on the CSR and other challenging tracks. Didn’t even seem to have any impact on Troopy’s voracious appetite for hydrocarbons!


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Submitted: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 at 10:43

Russnic [NZ commented:

I love my Troopy a Kea Pop Top with all the Bells and Whistles & after market gear, so most definitely my truck is a she.

I am going to by the Lady a new set of high heels, going to get some Tough Dog Ralphs for her.
She deserves it!!
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Submitted:Tuesday, May 25, 2010 at 11:22

Member - John and Val replied:

This is a worry! We must keep them apart! Kinky heels too! The last thing we need is the putter of little Troopy feet. And Troopy's in no position to pay maintenance!
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Submitted: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 at 12:06

Russnic [NZ commented:

We might be onto a good thing here.
What would you charge for a service fee.
Imagine a litter of Troopy pups!
Ooh No! not worth thinking about.
That is just the reason I like to get away from it all
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Submitted:Tuesday, May 25, 2010 at 17:25

Member - John and Val replied:

Service fee....hmmmm.....perhaps the young filly is a bit young for the venerable old warrior?
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Submitted: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 at 20:17

Member - Ups and Downs commented:

John
What a great write-up. We also have a troopy, now 15 years old. I must be a lazy bugger though as you have done much more than I even thought about. Pity you won't be at Wiluna, I'd like to see it in the flesh.
Paul
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Submitted:Thursday, May 27, 2010 at 13:25

Member - John and Val replied:

Hi Paul,

Thanks for your interest. We are staying home this year, but we'll be back in the West when we can. Maybe we can meet up then and compare rigs.

Cheers

John
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Submitted: Thursday, May 27, 2010 at 10:25

tonbon commented:

John and Val, once again a fantastic article, very informative and well written. I don't have a troopy (I can only aspire) but I have spent 18 months setting up Miss Turtle for the upcoming trip in July but reading your blog has given me some food for thought (and some mild concerns about the roof racks I have installed, spare tyre only). I guess the trip is going to be a very steep learning curve to see just how much I have gotten wrong. Maybe one day we can sit around a nice warm camp fire and compare some apples and oranges. Well done and thank you, you have been a wealth of information over the last few months. Tony and Miss Turtle.
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Submitted:Thursday, May 27, 2010 at 13:22

Member - John and Val replied:

Tony,

Thank you for your kind remarks. The roof rack problems we originally encountered were due to weakness in the legs due to sideways motion of too much weight on top. As the vehicle rocked side to side the load mass tended to stay put, stressing the legs until metal fatigue took over. You can see in the roof rack photos how we've solved that problem.

It would be great to share a campfire by the track somewhere.

Cheers

John
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Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 08:16

N/A commented:

Great write up John, love the shot of the Troopy on the river bank

cheers Unc
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Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:07

ExplorOz - David & Michelle commented:

Great story but I must disagree on your point... "Clearly Troopys are male and should be referred to as “He”, never “it”, certainly never “she”. "...

Over 12 years ago when David and I bought our troopy to travel around Australia we bought it already fitted out with a pop-top, roof bedding and side cabinets/sink/storage etc and when it reminded me of the toy "barbie bus" I had as a young girl. Loathe the name and conotation as much as he liked, David could not get over that I nick-named our troppy "The Barbie Bus" !! So - to me, clearly this vehicle was a GIRL (but a very capable one at that).
tee hee, David is going to kill me when he reads this comment (I'm ducking for cover now ;-)).
Regards, Michelle
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Submitted:Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 13:06

Member - John and Val replied:

Hi Michelle,
As per other responses, maybe hi-top and pop-top troopies are the female form of the beast? Makes sense given the voluptuous girly curves that these extra bits add. So all girl power to Troopies, male or female!!!

Ours is still a boy tho! I bet David had a chuckle....

Cheers,

Val
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Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 15, 2010 at 13:24

ExplorOz - David & Michelle commented:

Male or female they're the same breed and share the dependable, rugged, low-fuss nature that makes them perfect for remote advertures.
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Submitted: Monday, Aug 23, 2010 at 19:24

The Landy commented:

Hi John & Val

Thanks for a great read and the opportunity to view your well set-up vehicle. Wow, a lot of thought has gone into it! I saw a great Troopy set-up at Camooweal in July when on tour through the Gulf Savannah, but they would do well to talk to you!


And they are works in progress, ‘The Landy’ is 15 years old, although has had a transplant (rebuild in 2006) and is servicing as well. We are currently in the process of fitting and wiring a 140 watt solar panel and two AGM deep cycle batteries. In fact your article on electricity was a great template for us.


Once again thanks….

Cheers, Baz, The Landy
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Submitted:Tuesday, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:52

Member - John and Val replied:

Hi Baz,

Thank you for your comments. As you say, it's always "work in progress". Our Troopy was pretty upset with being referred to as a "Clunker", and Julia's offer of $2000 if we'd upgrade at a cost of only 20 or 30 times that bribe!

Good luck with the solar setup. Sounds a good system, with ample storage and enough solar to keep you independent while ever the sun shines.

Cheers

John
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Submitted: Sunday, Nov 21, 2010 at 17:14

Life Member Dick B commented:

Great write up John and Val.

As a Troopy owner I am always interested in the setup other Troopy owners have. There are still several items in my setup wthich I am not happy with.

You mention that you cook with Gas. What size gas cylinders do you use and where do you carry them. I can't see any cylinders on your roof rack in the pic's you posted.

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Submitted:Sunday, Nov 21, 2010 at 19:34

Member - John and Val replied:

Dick,

Times have changed as we have now added a trailer with its own gas bottle on the drawbar and 2 burner stove. We still carry the 2 burner stove and a 2kg gas bottle for when we want to be independent of the trailer. Don't tell anyone (!) but we have routinely carried the gas bottle/s inside the vehicle at the back. Not the best place and in fact there is provision for them on the roofrack.

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John
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Submitted: Sunday, Nov 21, 2010 at 21:56

Life Member Dick B commented:

Hi John

Did you tow the trailer on the Canning? If so how much difficulty did you have on the dunes? What tyre pressure's did you run? I am going south to north next year and have wondered about taking my Ultimate. I am aware that you can't tow a trailer between Wiluna and Well 5 but other than that are there any great problems.

What type of Suspension do you have on the Troopy. Has it been upgraded?


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Submitted:Monday, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:24

Member - John and Val replied:

Hi Dick,

The trailer is an odd one - a "Road and Track" (precursor of the TVan and no longer made) with a light fibreglass body on a rugged offroad chassis. It weighs in at 375 kg empty and the Troopy doesn't even know it's there. Last year we travelled about 2/3 of the CSR with it, north to south then backtracked and headed west on the Talawana. The trailer gave us no trouble. Friends travelling with us pulled an Ultimate without much difficulty.

As always in challenging terrain, tyre pressures are the answer. Most of the CSR is sand dunes and we used about half bitumen pressure on the Troopy and about 10 psi on the trailer. The Ultimate was also down at about 10 psi. On only one occasion did we fail to take a dune on the first attempt, and that was before we had optimised tyre pressures. The sand is very loose, especially in the afternoon once any moisture has dried out. The dunes are heavily corrugated, but far worse are scollops (hills and valleys up to about a metre apart and "in phase" with the wheel spacing) where the whole vehicle is thrown bodily up and down. These scollops limit the momentum that can be achieved on a runup to each dune.

If I had a choice, I would not tow the heavy Ultimate - it's possible, but your Troopy will be less challenged without a couple of tons of anchor on the back. Certainly I'd suggest not travelling alone if your are towing it. If you were to jacknife backing down a dune for a second attempt, a companion vehicle capable of providing some serious influence would be very helpful.

Our suspension - stock standard 20+ year old leaf springs. We broke one on the scollops and had to limp out to Port Hedland to get a pair of replacements. We were very fortunate that the break occurred where we could bolt the whole spring together and carry gingerly on.

Cheers

John

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Submitted: Thursday, Nov 25, 2010 at 02:59

Member - Marc Luther B (WA) commented:

Hi John & Val

I have had the absolute privilege of seeing a lot of set ups that have traversed the CSR and the Tanami, and for simplicity and practicality, yours is up there with the best of them.

I sincerely hope you don't mind, but I am contemplating replicating your tent set up, with a couple of extras, as I have a 2000 Hilux, so cannot come off the back of the car.

Great vehicle, enjoy your travels.

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Submitted:Thursday, Nov 25, 2010 at 06:28

Member - John and Val replied:

Hi Marc,

Thank you for your kind comments. You are very welcome to use our "design".

The tent system works well for us, apart from one "design" oversight that we are now fixing. There needs to be a good slope on the roof, so that water can't weigh down the canvas and create a puddle on top that then weighs it down further to catch more water to weigh it down...... So far we've just added a small tarp as shown in the last photo, but the plan is to raise the ridgepole to provide much more slope.

Cheers

John

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Submitted: Sunday, Sep 25, 2011 at 07:53

Rockape commented:

John,
You have done an excellent job on your male Troopy. I see much thought has gone into him, in both engineering and practical areas. Great setup.

My Troopy has a problem as it is transsexual. When it is going well it is a boy but when things go a little wrong he turns into a she. Can't figure this out.

My last word on this is. Boy's can only do one thing at a time. Girls can do two things at a time, they just don't do them very well. I shall now go and hide.

All the best
RA.
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Submitted: Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 09:30

Fred G NSW commented:

Morning John & Val.

Just saw your Troopy blog at the top of the list on the home page, and went in for a quick look.

Well, let me say, that's the best Sunday morning read I've had for a long while.

We all think we have a good set up, but that's is one of the best self contained set ups I've seen, whether for remote camping travel or just a weekend up the beach fishing.

I have always had a desire to own a Troopy, after having had one in the bush in the Police Force, but have never taken that final step. When I got my Triton 8 years ago and set it up for my needs, I thought "That's it. This is my last vehicle so look after it." But now this morning after reading your blog, I sit here looking out at my rig, and the mind begins to wander hmmmmmm ! If only I were 15 years younger. But then again retirement is here next year, and a fella has to have something to occupy his mind. Just never know, aye ? :-)

Cheers folk and happy travels.



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Submitted:Sunday, Apr 15, 2012 at 13:38

Member - John and Val replied:

Thank you for your comments Fred. Troopies are an ideal vehicle for adapting to special purposes - big no-nonsense workhorses. Has worked well for us and no doubt many others too.

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John
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Submitted: Thursday, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:38

JonnoGV commented:

For a newbie, still some terrific ideas!
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Submitted: Thursday, Oct 04, 2012 at 17:06

Candace S. commented:

Wow, what a rig! I really enjoyed the bit about storing the shovel in the frame crossmember. I agree, little folding spades and short-handled shovels are no substitute for a long-handled shovel. Hope your Troopy (he or she) stays on the road for many more km's and adventures! :)
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Submitted: Friday, May 10, 2013 at 08:27

Member - Martin 2 commented:

Hi. You seem to have your tablet PC well mounted. I have seen a lot of laptops and tablets mounted in 4x4s through the years and use one myself, but I find the way in which they are mounted often makes them a bit dangerous in an accident, or that they are difficult to protect from extreme heat, or that the screens are not clear because it is difficult to keep the light off them. How is yours mounted - is it some sort of commercial bracket?
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Submitted:Friday, May 10, 2013 at 18:13

Member - John and Val replied:

Hi Martin,

Quite agree with your safety concerns.
Click on the picture to see a bit more detail - the computer is secured to a perforated metal frame which covers the back. This frame hangs from a wide strip of rubber attached to a plinth on the dashboard. The computer is therefore free to dance around when travelling on corrugations, and has stood up to the CSR, Simpson etc. To access the radios etc behind the computer, it can simply be hinged up on the rubber "hinge". Not too elegant and all "home made" but works very well. The only real downside is that this tablet really isn't quite bright enough - it's a big ask, but brighter would be better.

Cheers

John
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Submitted: Friday, May 10, 2013 at 20:54

Member - Martin 2 commented:

Hi John

You mean the picture in the body of your description?
Not sure if you are aware that there are tablets better suited than others for the visibility issue in sunlight. If you have any interest I can send details. I am a geologist and we map in the desert, directly onto tablets - the Geological Survey of WA mapping geologists have investigated this in detail.

Regards

Martin
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Submitted:Saturday, May 11, 2013 at 08:36

Member - John and Val replied:

Hi Martin,

I was referring to the picture in the description. Doesn’t illustrate the mounting too well and I was hoping to add a few better pictures yesterday, but the camera’s playing up!

Time passes. We adopted OziExplorer early on and when I set our gps up there weren’t many options for an afforable 10” Windows capable tablet with a non-reflective screen. Since then lots of Windows tablets have appeared and OziExplorer has been released for Android which also broadens the choice. Unfortunately I’m not aware of any with a non-reflective screen, which is highly desirable if you want to see more than a reflection of your companion’s shirt!

I’d be very interested in anything you can offer regarding more suitable tablets. Please email me at johnandval@exemail.com.au and I’ll try to get some more useful pictures of our mounting system for you. It's not complicated to make, and is much less intrusive in the cab than any laptop stand.

Cheers

John
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Submitted: Saturday, May 11, 2013 at 10:26

Member - Martin 2 commented:

Hi John and Val.

I'll contact you seperately at your email, but will put the tablet info on the blog (a review of many, 8 months old). "Affordable" is the operative word, an I think that is where people will have very different views - and almost all recreational users will think differently to government emplyees with the budget for the best equipment (it costs so much to put a team of Tertiary educated and commonly postgrad scientists in the field in remote areas like the PJ Lands, with all logistical support that they need, that a thing like the cost of a tablet is rather secondary if a better one keeps them out there more briefly - tyres alone are a huge cost when almost all work is in such areas, and helicopter support is unbelievably expensive.....you could buy a roomful of tablets for a day's hire). I wear two hats, the one with the realistically large budget to get the clients work done most efficiently and cost-effectively, the other for my recreation where I watch the pennies like everyone else using their own cash.

Having said all that, I have now mislaid my notes on Tablets, but I have to buy one within weeks for a job, so will sort it out and post the info then.

Regards

Martin
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Submitted: Sunday, May 12, 2013 at 00:18

Member - Martin 2 commented:

Hope it keeps my layout - a review by the Geological Survey of WA (only those models they have tried) - inbuilt GPS and significant field data capabilities are what they need, including for long periods walking in difficult terrain away from a vehicle, with no battery re-charge for many hours, continually recording major data including graphical data - cost is less of an issue, so they use Motion J3500 tablets at present. Average 4x4 tourers probably only want to display existing maps (less memory and GIS capabilities needed), charge in the car, have a separate GPS to feed in location, enter no or little data. Horses for courses.

Headings for the following are (1) BRAND & MODEL (2) SCREEN SIZE, (3) OUTDOOR VISIBILITY, (4) ROBUSTNESS, (5) RAM (Gb), (6) PEN/GPS/ BLUETOOTH (Y/N), (7) GIS SOFTWARE LIMITATIONS, (8) $ PRICE (last year). I've ignored battery life but the pricey ones are 3.5 - 10 hours. "GIS limitations" relate to advanced input for detailed mapping (eg drawing freehand on screen etc)
(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8)
Motion J3500 12" V Good Rugged/dust protected 3-4 Y/Y/Y N from 3100
Motion F5v 0" V Good Rugged/dust protected 1-4 Y/Y/Y N from 3300
Fujitsu ST6012 12" Good Semi-rugged 1-8 Y/N/Y N from 1500
Fujitsu P1610 9" Good Not ruggedized 1 Y/N/Y N ?
IPAD(3) cellular 10" Mod-Good Not ruggedized 1 Y/Y/Y Y from 679
Budget laptops 10-16" mainly POOR Not ruggedized 1-4 N/N/YorN Y 350-600
Smartphones 4-5" Variable not to poorly ruggedized variable Y/Y/Y Y from 150

There are many others (Xplore Technology tablets have been mentioned at top of the range). For significant data entry with the pen-capable models, the on-screen Fitaly keyboard or similar can be used.

Personally I think a Smartphone with a large screen takes a lot of beating - cheap, fairly advanced and inexpensive GIS software is becoming available including that utilising maps most used by recreational four wheel-drivers, if you know how you can enter any map of your own, some limited data input is possible by hand (it takes more time and is cumbersome), or from a laptop at night, there is an inbuilt GPS, screens are easy to shield from sunlight because small, although not rugged they are easily protected, data can be downloaded including "track" and waypoint data and incorporated into more complex maps externally. They can even be used as a compass and now to determine strike and dip (inclination of rock orientations) for geologists using their inbuilt vertical and horizontal (3D) position, like GPS independednt of need for a phone signal. And no complex or expensive holders are needed (I use 1.5 cm of heavy-duty velcro and have never had one become detached on a rough track). Data can be transmitted rapidly home whenever one gets into 3G range for a rural handset.
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Submitted: Sunday, May 12, 2013 at 00:26

Member - Martin 2 commented:

It lost my colums as I expected, but should still make sense
Typo = Motion F5v has a 10" screen
Simply bought another leather case for field and have velcro on the back of it and the dashboard - the type of rigid velcro Bunnings sell for hanging tools on walls etc.
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