Toyota Wheel Studs - Replacing the standard 78/79 series studs with custom made, high tensile units

Saturday, Jan 01, 2011 at 00:00

Mick O

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I suffered a couple of setbacks on the 2010 desert trip that left me asking some serious questions about the quality of the products I was using. On one occasion I had a wheel almost separate. Thankfully we identified the issue during a lunch break as the wheel had begun to chew through the wheel studs. It appeared in this first incident that the wheel had become loose through improper seating. I attributed this to the poor shaping of the stud holes in the wheel. They had almost vertical edges rather than a nice tapered cone meaning that the small 14mm wheel nuts may not have seated properly. Another consideration was the nuts themselves. Here I think the chamfer or cone end did not have enough width and depth to it. Both of these factors could have contributed to the failure but the end result was a chewed out and US rim, and damaged nuts and tyres.




The second failure involved a complete set of wheel nuts sheering and a rear wheel departing the vehicle for the bush. Thankfully I’d almost come to a complete halt at the time. Examination of the stud ends indicated that all had sheered right at the end of the knurl just before the thread of the stud. Thankfully I was carrying a full set of replacement studs so we were able to get going with a minimum of fuss.





These two incidents, together with a bit of research on the subject when I got home, made me question the quality of the standard wheel studs and nuts fitted to the Toyota vehicles. On examination, the standard stud has very little “shoulder” area once passed the knurl. In fact the nut actually indented or was concave for a few mm between the knurl and the commencement of the thread. This means that when the disc rotor was fitted, there was a gap of greater than 2 mm on each side of the stud. Now I’m pretty sure that in these days of generic parts most Toyota compliant disc products would have the generic 150 mm pattern with identical sized stud holes so there would be no need for this type of a sloppiness. In fact there was easily enough room to fit a 16 mm stud with space to spare. This meant that the axle ends would have had to have been drilled though to accomodate a larger stud.




On the way back from our Anne Beadell sojourn of April this year, I took the opportunity to stop in at Galpro engineering in Adelaide and have a chat with Barry about my concerns. The concave portion provided an obvious sheer point as it reduced the overall diameter of the stud by at least 2 mm meaning that the stud thickness was down to less than 12 mm once the vernier was placed over the gap. I was indeed shocked to find this and coupled with any opportunity for disk rotor to move under sudden impact (that you often get in four wheel driving), a guillotine effect could contribute to damage or weakening of the studs.



I scoured the Toyota website and even rang Toyota direct to try and ascertain the tensile strength of the steel studs they use to no avail. While Toyota recommend torque pressure of 90-110 foot pounds when tightening the wheel nuts, this didn’t seem overly oppressive. I was able to find many stories of wheel studs sheering due to over tightening so that led me to believe that the studs have a lower tensile strength than optimal. Certainly those crazy drift racers and drag specialists in their "doof doof" Celicas and Supras swap out their wheel studs for high tensile steel units.










Anyway, to cut a long story short, with Barry at hand, we made some design changes to the standard nut and I had Barry whip me up a full set of replacement studs with a few spares. The key difference (apart from the fact that they are machined from a slug of high tensile Swedish steel) is that the shoulder continues past the knurling to the outside edge of the disc rotor. This means the gap is reduced to less than a mm overall. The threads commences from the end of the shoulder meaning no reduction in stud thickness as is apparent in the Toyota units. Barry also made a set of wheel nuts to match. These nuts are a domed unit allowing for the uptake or full distance of the stud thread. They are a 23 millimetre width with a good sized end chamfer. The difference in look, feel and weight is considerable.



THE PROCESS FOR REMOVING AND REPLACING

For those who have never replaced wheel studs, the process for the rear wheels on the Toyota was quite simple. Loosen wheel nuts, jack and secure the vehicle. It’s a good idea to have all the wheels chocked so the vehicle can be placed in neutral. The handbrake also needs to be off to allow for removal of the disk rotor as the handbrake disc pads use the inside of the rotor as the disc drum.


Once the wheel is off, remove the brake calliper. This involves the removal of 2 x 17mm bolts that are situated on the end flange/plate of the diff housing. Once the brake callipers are removed, carefully place an object like a 10mm socket into the calliper between the pads. This will prevent the pads from springing out should the brakes of the vehicle be inadvertently applied while they are off.

Now remove the disc rotor. Ensure the handbrake is off. There is usually a separate screw hole on either side of the rotor. By screwing a bolt into these, they will push the disc rotor outwards from the axle. There should also be an inspection port with a rubber grommet in it. With this hole at exactly the 6 oclock position, you should be able to adjust the handbrake adjustment wheel. This little slotted wheel allows you to adjust the handbrake pads outwards or inwards. If the pads are still holding the rotor even with the handbrake off, you can remove the grommet and turn the wheel using a flat bladed screwdriver. It’s fiddly and you have to go by feel but it will assist.









Once the disc rotor is off, you will have clear access to the wheel studs. Toyota studs are pressed in these days and not screwed so carefully press them out with a hammer or use a centre punch if needed. You must be careful not to strike the hub housing. Once out, make sure you clear the holes of any muck or adhesive that may have been used. Also ensure that the back of the axle is clean around the holes so the studs will pull in evenly.

There are two ways to get studs in, either press them in from behind usually with a hammer, or by drawing them in from the front using a bolt. Each have their pros and cons. By removing the handbrake pads, you can actually get enough room to swing a hammer in one location. With the axles still in, it’s a pain so I prefer to draw them through using the flat side of a wheel nut. I use this to get it started using the standard tyre cross brace. This also allows you some leeway to move the studs to ensure they are pulling in evenly once the knurl starts. This is where it stiffens up and the going gets tougher. I use the flat side of the nut up to the point where the knurl starts drawing through the hole. Once started I back off the nuts and place a washer against the flat inside edge of the axle.




Make sure you apply even force across the wheel brace so that the stud is drawn in evenly. Because of the extended shoulder on the new stud, I then had two steel washers with a larger diameter hole which were centred over the stud to allow the shoulder to be drawn the whole way through. While I had to call on the muscles of the Crown Prince about half way through stud 4, a great result is achievable this way without the need to remove hand brake pads or the axle itself.

I hope to have the tensile strength figures for the wheel studs from Barry in due course and will add to this blog once they are to hand.

As to cost, both wheel and nut were less than two dollars more than replacing them through Toyota (The high tensile Galpro studs are actually cheaper than what I was quoted from Toyota for standard studs).

I’m very happy with the end result and hope that some of the pictures will amply illustrate the difference. Any questions, please don’t hesitate to contact me or Barry at Galpro who has the template for these now.

Cheers, Mick


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Submitted: Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 19:30

Tim HJ61 (WA) commented:

What an excellent write up. Congratulations.
The website for Galpro is http://www.galproeng.com.au/ and it's nice to see an innovative specialist company that's happy to take the time to really address your problem. Wheel studs are not something that many of us put a lot of thought into I'd imagine and your blog will raise awareness of this important part of our vehicles.
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Submitted:Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 19:50

Mick O replied:

Cheers Tim. I was very impressed with both the time and interest Barry took in the task. He was also able to balance this with the specialist nature of my vehicle. I've included a link to Galpro at the bottom of the blog as well.

Safe travels to you. Mick
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Submitted: Sunday, Jul 31, 2011 at 20:07

Member - MUZBRY(Vic) commented:

Gday Mick
Well written and interesting. Thanks
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Submitted:Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 07:06

Mick O replied:

Cheers Muz.
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Submitted: Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 16:32

Member - MUZBRY(Vic) commented:

Gday Mick
Just looking again. I see that you have made the stud shoulder the same size as the disc holes. That should take slack from the disc rotating on the axle when brakes are applied and excelerating . That should fix the elongation in the wheel stud holes .Good one Mick. We better have a look in Silverton .
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Submitted:Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 17:04

Mick O replied:

There is actually about a millimetre of space overall 0.5 per side. The shoulder now extends to the edge of the outer edge of the disk rotor eliminating that shear point. I'll bring a few along to show you. Looking forward to the catch-up.

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Submitted: Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 18:13

brianc commented:

Mick, I offer these comments as an engineer with a few years practice at looking at broken bits. Of course I'm not privy to your dealings with Galpro, so these points may have already been raised and discussed. Apologies if that is the case. Also trying to reach conclusions from a few photos is also a little tricky .
Anyhow. *The original threads were most likely rolled which does make a stronger component as opposed to the cut threads, however the better grade of material may compensate for this.
* The smaller diameter convex section is usually around the root diameter of the thread which gives a better distribution of stress in the bolt. The detail around the termination of the cut thread is important to ensure minimal stress concentrations.
* My 100 (and I'm sure other wheels are the same) has split rims, the centre of the rim fits snugly over the hub therefore the centralising and weight bearing is taken care of. I could not see that detail in your photos. The studs shouldn't be taking weight etc, just supply clamping force.
* The above comment is based on the photo of the broken studs. To me they appear to have a fatigue failure (as opposed to shear), something that could come from taking the weight from a rim centre diameter problem and then subject to cyclic, bending loads.
However, all that said, I will be having a very close look at my studs before the next trip. Thanks for your story.
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Submitted:Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 18:38

Mick O replied:

Thanks Brian. Yes we've had quite a few discussions around these things over the past year or so. Unfortunately I'm largely mechanically (and certainly engineeringly) challenged which leaves me unable to convey adequately the more intricate engineering details (I'm a bloody marvel on fixing tyres though). Very much appreciate the detailed response and only wish you'd been around for the earlier conversations as it’s always great to have an expert about who can explain these things in plain English.

The rim/hub issue you mention is a critical one and one that a lot of people don’t realise these days particularly with so many after-market rims about. The engineering aspects and consequences are quite often overlooked in the drive to mass produce. It was mooted by myself as possibly being a contributing factor in some earlier discussions due to the poor quality of the rim. Thanks again for the input.

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Submitted: Monday, Aug 01, 2011 at 20:33

Member - John (Vic) commented:

Nice write up Mick.
Hope it fixes the issues.
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Submitted:Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 19:41

Mick O replied:

Me too. Cheers John

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Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 18:00

Member - Joe n Mel n kids (FNQ commented:

Good write up, but i will go out on a limb and say it is very possible it was not the "gap" that caused it, yes there will be people out there with far more experiance than me but it is common to have that "gap", you will also find some rims dont seat tight on the hubs in the center and rely completely on the taper of the nuts to hold it in place, with six nuts/studs clamped up to tension there is a fair bit of pressure applied the the faces and it should hold it all in place, the only way it could wear like that is i would say a faulty rim .... anyway it sounds like you will have an even better system now so it is good..
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Submitted:Tuesday, Aug 02, 2011 at 19:41

Mick O replied:

Thanks Joe. You are right in that the gap wasn't the issue, in the blog I am merely outlining my surprise to find such a large amount of play around the studs. This "could" be a problem so one of my aims in have the studs made was to knock down that space as much as possible providing less room for the disc rotors to rotate. I'm pretty sure that the poor quality of the rim was a major factor for the damage to itself. As mentioned the holes were almost straight edged and had no chamfer to allow the nuts to pull in tight. Quality for me now that's for sure.

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Submitted: Monday, Feb 27, 2012 at 20:01

Stretch4x4 commented:

Gday Mick,
Love the rig, must come and have a look at it one day.
Was just wondering if you had had any further discussions or ideas on this topic. I recently has the joy of loosing a wheel after vibrations loosened everything followed by stud shearing.. Now in the process of getting new wheels, studs and nuts.

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Submitted: Wednesday, Jun 06, 2012 at 17:05

Member - Phil G (SA) commented:

Gday Mick,
Its been a while now since all this happened. Just my views on what happened:
Firstly, you were using 50mm spacers at the time (something you might want to include in the text), and the combination of 50mm spacers and a zero offset wheel is not good - the centreline of the wheel is well outside the axle face stressing the studs.
Secondly, we all should check the tightness of wheel nuts on a trip - but with your spacers you have two sets of wheelnuts - the set on the outside is easy, but the set attaching the spacer to the hub can only be tightened by removing the wheel - that's something very few people would do.
Thirdly those aftermarket wheels are absolute duds. The only wheels worth buying for a 5 stud Landcruiser are the factory wheels - they are stacks stronger, sit tight on the centre of the hub.
I'm sure you carry a lot of extra weight on the rear axle - worth running it over a weighbridge and seeing how it compares tothe factory spec which is written on the tyre placard.
I also note that the nuts you were using are open aftermarket nuts. All Landcruisers come with domed nuts to prevent dirt and water getting into the threads.
My suggestion as before is to do away with all the aftermarket stuff - ditch the spacers, go back to having Toyota factory 16x8 steel wheels (off a 105 series) and use the standard wheel nuts that were designed for these wheels. BTW, I have since sold the set that I offered you about a year ago. My preference is the 105series mags.
All the best with whatever trips you're planning this year.
Cheers
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