Scott_G replied:

you need to know how they come to make these type claims that are deceitful and consequently fraudulent
if you put say a straight SAE50 into any engine then test the power output and then drain the oil and put in a lightweight multigrade oil you can achieve these same type deceitful and fraudulent claims
for the claims to be proved they need to be independently done by a certified authority
the claims are typical backyard claims with no basis or reality of proof or science

The Banjo replied:

Here we go.......it should be said that virtually every customer knows absolutely nothing about the products sold by the mainstream oil makers ! They simply buy the stuff with a measure of faith and hope, drawing some comfort from the fact that the big players have a reputation to protect (why would they market dodgy product or make silly claims ?.... er.....well some do probably). If someone wants to put their faith in a small, new producer, damned if I can see much difference from what I do with Castrol....its all hope. Is "magnetic attraction" special, new, real or hype ? Is Magnatec the only oil that gives you "total protection from the time you turn the key ?" Have Castrol hit on something with oils that others wish they had ? Or might it be that the only thing Castrol have to protect there is the slogan (and not the oil) ? I'm going to check out Synforce !I need red sand under me.

Well 55 replied:

I think Scott-G has a axe to grind over something otherwise what's he bitter and twisted about.

Any product is worth a chance unless proven otherwise, Iv'e got a mate up there and I will get him to check it out for my peice of mind before I use it.

It will be used in Tractors and 4WD's if it stacks up ok.

Member - Bradley replied:

Hi all, just keep in mind that there are only a few companies that produce the 'base' stock oils that every other oil is made from( additives etc. added).

as long as the cruiser oil is made from a new base oil then it should be ok, i personally have previously given my views re the dyno tests, so no repeat there.

most popular (and reccommended oil companies) buy in all of their base stock from major refiners, and then blend and add from there. Same for grease, only 7 factories in world that produce grease. everyone else mixy mixy....

As long as synforce are prepared to back the quality of their product then all is well, as opposed to one very popular brand here on the forum that dont even list any spec ratings on their product on the bottle...yeah lets not even mention what garbage the dealers put in that half the time isn't even the right spec !!

The major makers all have top quality gear but you have to pay the premium for it, which most people won't do, i know of one engine oil that is on the shelf at around $90 for 4 litres, suffice to say it's an awesome product but doesent sell well. same for gear oils etc, i've got a drum of syn gear oil at home that is $20 per litre COST price, suffice to say i wont buy that product retail, if i had to.

if you like it , use it , simple........

chrisfrd replied:

Actually,

I'd go farther than this... If the manufacturer applies the "Compliant with API xxxxx. CF-xxxxx ACEA-xxxxx" and the manufacturer of the engine states that you must use "API-abc" and no other, then YOU have invalidated your warranty.

Caveat Emptor applies!

If, however, both matched and the engine blew, then you start knocking on the oil manufacturers door, asking that they replace the engine under their liability insurance, only if their product was tested and proven not to perform to the stated mark.

Australia also has adopted the ISO standard for testing and rating lubricants. A product must be tested and achieve the advertised ISO standard.

The current standards are available from the ISO website or through www.australianstandards.com.au.

If any company provides a lubricant that does not apply to the relevant ISO standards, then they SHALL be in breach of trading standards! They can be sued! I would sue any person that provided me products or services on fraudulent information, you should too.

Subjectively now... In saying that, I prefer synthetic oil bases, as they don't suffer from as much degredation in high-stress environments, that are found in multi-valve high-pressure diesel engines. I used to use Penrite HPR-Deisel Light, but now that I've moved to South AUstralia, I'm finding it hard to obtain.

If this product, bull bleep -disregarded (in otherwords ignore all sales pitches and ask for factual technical documentation on the product, including any test results based on calibrated test equipment) works, then I would consider changing to it.

The Publican replied:

sounds and looks like 100% snake oil
the website explains nothing
I agree sounds like fraudulent manure from an ex HIH insurance sales person