Mitsubishi Challenger - help please...

Submitted: Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 17:52
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Greetings.

In other countries, the Mitsubishi Challenger comes out with a 3.5 litre motor (same as Pajero?), and a Centre Diff-Lock.

Has anyone done this upgrade, or know why it wouldn't be acceptable or allowed in Australia? Sounds like a great upgrade to me!

Also does anyone have a Challenger LSD for sale? Or am I better with air-locks?

Help please.

Cheers
Dave
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Reply By: Member Eric - Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 18:13

Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 18:13
Center diff lock only locks transfer case , nothing to do with diff locks . I am pretty sure the 3.5 is the same bolt pattern , Your challenger should already come with a LSD in the rear. You can get a computer upgrade , that realy boosts the power output of the engine withought going to a 3.5 / Give Tony a call at Mobil Care Care in Prahran . 0395252003 . He also owns a Challenger with front and rear air locks with power chip . Also runs 33'muds
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Follow Up By: actionblokart.com - Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 18:24

Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 18:24
Hi Eric. Thanks for the info.

Unfortunately I don't think my 1998 Challenger has a LSD as it did not come with the ABS/Cruise/LSD option. How else can I tell?

Assuming at this stage I don't have a LSD, would a better option be rear air locks?

Also what advantage does a Centre Diff-Lock offer?

(You can see that I am new at this, so please be patient if my questions seem naive!)

Cheers
Dave

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Follow Up By: Baz (NSW) - Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 18:40

Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 18:40
A good simple test to see if you have LSD is find some dirt and give it some revs drop the clutch if both wheels spin then LSD if only one spins then not.

Baz.
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Follow Up By: XS Challenger - Sunday, Sep 12, 2004 at 21:43

Sunday, Sep 12, 2004 at 21:43
ERIC,
I would love to know where your friend got his front diff lock from??? I have a 2002 Challenger and my local ARB and Opposite Lock don't have a front diff lock option listed. Also this power chip thing sounds good is there a web siteow you. I can look up in regards to it??
One other thing, I would like to know what Mods if any he needed to do to fit the 33's under?? and what the insurance people wanted to keep it insured??

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I have found it very hard to get people to take me seriously when trying to get aftermarket stuff for my truck. I went to 3 places looking for a snorkle they all said no we don't make one, I said a 2002 Triton one will fit, they didn't want to know until I got TJM to ring it's supplier who backed me up. It's been like because it's not a landcruiser or Patrol they don't want to know you. Anyway enough of my gripe.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Richard
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Follow Up By: Member Eric - Sunday, Sep 12, 2004 at 21:51

Sunday, Sep 12, 2004 at 21:51
had to cut back the mud flaps and raise the vehicle to fit the 33's If you are in Melbourne I could hook you up on a good deal with A locker. The locker from memory is the same as triton , but with the adition of a added sleeve. If you arnt in melbourne , have your local arb ring there bloody head office lol . There been available for the last 4 months . Ring Anthony at Mobil Prahran for the details in the chip . If you want 33's and a locker , you will need it . The vehicle will bog down otherwise.

95252003 , Just ask for Anthony and tell him Eric gave you his number.
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Reply By: Member Eric - Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 20:30

Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 20:30
unfortunanly not the way to test the lsd on a challanger . It is a gear type LSD . About as good as tits on a bull . Air lock in the rear, there is a front option also .

Now to explain center diff lock , If you didnt have this , then your vehicle would be clasified a all wheel drive , not a 4 wheel drive .

Ill try explain how this works

in your transfer case . There is a diff also , that distibutes power to the front and rear tailshafts, When in open mode , this diff in your transfer care , will distribute power evenly as long as all wheels are in equal traction. If say you break a cv or axle , the power will rush that wheel . This means the vehicle will stop in oits tracks . This also is the same if you get one wheel bogged , your history . Now once you activate your center diff lock , this now has locked your transfer case , so it wil distribute equal power front and rear , no matter what . So you need 2 wheels in the mud to stop you now , one front one rear . So now you have 2 other wheels you want to give p[ower 2 in a 4 wheel sticky spot . This were my friend you slap that plastic , and get yourself some lockers lol

I hope this helps , If you figure out what i am talking about , email me and explain it to me LMAO only joking , more than happy to eplain all this
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Follow Up By: AndrewX - Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 21:23

Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 21:23
It's very important to know that most "all wheel drive" (which is incidently a very misleading term) also have a centre diff lock. Toyota Lancruisers and Prados have been using this system for many years. The reality of the Drive terminology is that a car is effectively a one wheel drive and a 4wd without front or rear diff locks is a 2 wheel drive. Only a vehicle with centre diff locked and both front and rear diffs locked is a 4wd. "Constant 4wd" as used in Toyotas is excellent for road and off-road use and is just one of many features that sets them so far ahead of the others and if you can afford it swap the challenger over!
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Follow Up By: Member Eric - Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 21:34

Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 21:34
Not misleading if the vehicle in on the tar lol . Its when the go off , that the buck stops lol
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Follow Up By: cookie - Friday, Sep 24, 2004 at 13:47

Friday, Sep 24, 2004 at 13:47
If want to buy a car that costs twice as much as a challenger and is maybe 20% better then buy a toyota. Toyota are good, but not as good as the price tag suggests. The extra ego is part of the price!
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Follow Up By: Member Eric - Friday, Sep 24, 2004 at 18:14

Friday, Sep 24, 2004 at 18:14
Cookie , I read your reply and fell off my chair lol . Reason for this is , I have spent many nights on the tools with my mate Tony on his challanger , doing major mods to get the vehicle to access hard core tracks . After it all we here sitting down one night having a chat and Tony's words . Man it would have been cheaper to buy a cruiser. I also don't know were you got twice the price. LMAO.

The good thing about all this , we dont sit there and bag each other about what we have and dont have . If one of our mates need help / mods ect . Ass up head down everyones on the tools.
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Follow Up By: cookie - Monday, Sep 27, 2004 at 12:34

Monday, Sep 27, 2004 at 12:34
Well my response was mainly for AndrewX and his comment about toyota’s many features which put them so far ahead of the others. Poor deluded fellow :-).

I regurlarly LMAO at the ego of Toyota drivers. They probably are the best vehicle in their respective markets but "so far" ahead they are not and value for money is my point.

Challengers are not hardcore 4wd’s and don't come with a hardcore price tag. If you bought one for that purpose then clearly the money would’ve been better spent on a cruiser or patrol initially.

If you want to go hardcore then buy the best and pay the premium. But if don’t need the extra 20% capability why pay for something you will never use. I am sure 90% of landcruiser drivers only use maybe 50% of their vehicles capability, but they feeling happy knowing that they have it their, and telling other people all about it.

Twice the price was poetic liscence but I bought my 98 challenger with a lot of fruit and in immaculate condition for 22 grand. Here are a couple of equivalent age and kilometre Toyotas I grabbed from a website

1998 LANDCRUISER PRADO
WAS $38,990
NOW $35,990

1997 LANDCRUISER GXL
WAS $34,990
NOW $32,990

Sure you will find cheaper but you be the judge. Throw into that running costs, the challenger was recently found by the NRMA to be the cheapest midsize 4wd to run, around $207 dollars a week from memory, prado’s around 220 and cruisers around 260.

While you may have the most capable vehicle if you don’t use it then you are really just pouring money down the drain, or into your ego. You don’t need a landcruiser to drive gravel roads or down the beach for a picnic.

I don’t have a problem with Toyota, I would buy one tomorrow if I needed the extra capability. I just don’t think they are “so far ahead” as their price tag suggests, or their owners like to brag about. Everything comes at a price, something which Toyota owners seem blissfully ignorant of.

Cookie.

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Follow Up By: Member Eric - Monday, Sep 27, 2004 at 18:10

Monday, Sep 27, 2004 at 18:10
These are the points people make to justify there purchase , its like the holden owner bagging a merc because they are to much to maintain yada yada. Mate if your happy with your car be it , I can throw stats at you till the cows come home. Get over it, and enjoy what you purchased
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Follow Up By: cookie - Tuesday, Sep 28, 2004 at 12:28

Tuesday, Sep 28, 2004 at 12:28
Just backing up my statement rather than making outlandish comment and ridiculing.
I’m happy and over it. :-)
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Reply By: Eric Experience. - Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 21:38

Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 at 21:38
Dave.
Your challenger has a limited slip diff which is the best unit for that type of vehicle. you know if the diff is working if you get a churp from the rear wheels when you use a roundabout. The factory diff is better than an air locker because it is totaly automatic and allows just enough slip to allow normal stearing. Yourtransfer case is a part time unit and does not have or require a centre lock the other unit has the pajero motor and transfer case. If you keep the vehicle standard you will get a better price for it when you trade up to your next vehicle as you learn more about of roading. Eric.
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Follow Up By: Member Eric - Sunday, Sep 12, 2004 at 08:39

Sunday, Sep 12, 2004 at 08:39
You will find Eric that the Limo set up in a Challanger is a gear type and is almost no existent in the bush . These vehicles need all the help they can get in the rear due to the limited front end travel .
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Follow Up By: Baz (NSW) - Sunday, Sep 12, 2004 at 13:02

Sunday, Sep 12, 2004 at 13:02
Just like the Explorer !!!
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Follow Up By: Member Eric - Sunday, Sep 12, 2004 at 16:01

Sunday, Sep 12, 2004 at 16:01
lol @ Baz
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Reply By: Member - Camper (SA) - Monday, Sep 13, 2004 at 22:08

Monday, Sep 13, 2004 at 22:08
In the 1998 model and subsequent ones also I think the LSD option is obvious- the guards and sills are another colour from that of the body, usually silver.
To test the LSD use the supplied jack (the base is suitably small ) to jack one rear wheel just off the ground. See if it will drive off the jack in 2WD. Do it carefully with very little throttle for obvious reasons. If there is no LSd the jacked-up wheel will just sit there spinning.
A rear air locker would solve the problem nicely.
But before you panic drive the car in the bush with other 4WDers, you might be surprised at what your Challa can do without modification.
Camper
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