ZD30 - Plating EGR valve

Submitted: Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 19:26
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I have a pathfinder in NZ with the 125kw version of the ZD30 motor. After 70000kms the intake manifold was full of soot and almost blocked. There seems to be plenty of blowby and the oil and soot combo really messes things up. The local diesel mechanic pulled off the manifold and cleaned it all up ($400). He suggested plating up the EGR valve. Ie fitting a blanking shim between EGR pipe and intake manifold. I spoke to NISSAN and they recommended it also. I have concerns that this whole M fire thing which relies on EGR to create a stratified charge will cause over heating.

Anyone done this? Anyone know if EGR should be open at idle and open when electrical plug is disconnected.

Cheers,

Charles
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 19:42

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 19:42
Shimming them on Delica's is quite common, and with no ill results.

If you want extra details, I can email you some details from the Delica site.

Cheers

EaGeR Wolf!
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Reply By: Rigor - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 08:12

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 08:12
Hi Charles , I run a 98 TD Jackaroo and I also blocked the EGR for the same reasons , intake full of soot and sludge from the mix of blowby oil and the exhaust carbon. I found that the Jack was smoother under power and possibly a little less power down low in the rev range but bugger all. No ill effects at 88Ks and I constantly get 10 Litres / 100Ks general running about.

Cheers Dave L
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Reply By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 10:12

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 10:12
Hi Charles,
I don't have first-hand knowledge of the ZD30 EGR system but I believe they would all operate similarly. For reference, the system on the Euro-spec Land Rover 300Tdi engine (OZ-spec has no EGR on this engine) has the following characteristics:
"a. Engine temperature - must be between 20 °C
and 100 °C approx.
b. Engine speed - must be between 630 and 2850
rev/min.
c. Engine load - calculated by throttle position
sensor.
d. EGR valve lift position.
e. Duration of engine idling."
and
"With coolant temperature between 20 °C and 100 °C;
the engine having just returned to idle, EGR will shut
off after 25-30 seconds idling."
Note that it can be open immediately after returning to idle but will shut-off shortly afterward. Also, it shuts-off at rpm higher than 2850 - not particularly high.
AGAIK, all EGR valves would be configured to 'fail closed'. That is, loss of vacuum to the valve diaphragm or loss of power to the EGR system should leave the valve in the closed position.
Can you explain what you mean by "this whole M fire thing"? I don't understand the term. Anyway, if it helps, the function of EGR systems is to meet emission regulations for oxides of nitrogen.
As you will probably know, air is about 21% oxygen and most of the remaining 79% is nitrogen. At high combustion temperatures some of the nitrogen & oxygen combine to form undesirable compounds that lead to smog in big cities. EGR systems reduce these emissions by effectively reducing the oxygen content in the cylinders and thereby reducing peak combustion temperatures. That is by 'watering-down' the air in the cylinders with burned gases.
Now, as everyone who has delved into the EGR on their engines has found, the systems invariably lead to fouled inlet manifolds and, by their very definition, they must reduce engine power when in operation. Blanking-off the EGR port will stop this but beware if this may cause problems with annual vehicle testing where you live.
As to detrimental effects on the engine, I think it extremely unlikely. Yes, peak combustion temps may be higher in the operating range when the valve was open, but I doubt it would cause excessive Exhaust Gas Temperatures (EGT) on an otherwise standard engine. [Well, not unless EGT is already very high on the standard engine -which by many accounts could be inherent with ZD30 engines.]
If similar to the LR system, the EGR would not be operating at high rpm anyway. I don't know for sure whether EGR systems shut-off at full load - that is full throttle and full boost pressure.
It is quite possible to have a TD diesel at full load at mid-rpm (say, 2000 - 2500) for many minutes. If so (and presuming the EGR was operating under these conditions), this would be the time when EGT could be higher with the EGR disabled.
A bit long-winded by I hope this is of some use.
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Follow Up By: Breeze - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 18:00

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 18:00
Hi Ian,

Thanks for the detailed response. The system is electronically controlled and looks to have all the features you describe. At idle however it belts out the EGR (if I take off the intake plenum connected to the intake manifold it sounds like an open exhaust at idle and it pumps out considerable EGR). When I disconnect the EGR sensor it is wide open (after having a fidle the other day the oil light started blinking as my partner took it to work, I had forgotten to plug it back in!). Is the rover motor a direct injection job?

Below is a description of M fire I picked up of the net. Given the amount of ZD-30 failures refered to on this site I am very hesitant to do anything that may put this motor at risk. The car is a 99model and the engine number is 0000545 so I am assuming it is one of the first motors off the line in Japan.

I was actually considering fitting a pyrometer so I could check combustion temps pre and post mods and revert back if I have to. I wonder about the sense of pumping hot EGR into the intake manifold, seems to defeat the purpose of the intercooler (even if the EGR is closed under full throttle the intake manifold would still be like an interheater.

At the very least I was going to fit an oil catch can on the breather tube to reduce the oil which combines with exhaust soot and clogs it all up.

Read on if you wish. Thanks for all the responses.

M-Fire Combustion System

Efforts to improve diesel engines have so far tended to focus on improved diffusion combustion. Nissan reasoned that NOx and soot could be reduced simultaneously if premixed combustion which is inherently less likely to produce soot could be accomplished at a low temperature. This is what M-Fire combustion achieves.

Gasoline engines produce little soot because the fuel and air are first thoroughly mixed and then ignited and burned a process called premixed combustion.

But when this process is attempted in a diesel engine, combustion takes place all at once, raising the combustion temperature and causing the formation of large quantities of NOx. To avoid that, diesel engines burn the mixture in a diffusion combustion process since the mixture is combusted as the fuel is injected, premixed combustion is controlled.

In order to prevent the mixture from burning instantaneously in this process, the combustion temperature is kept low, which works to suppress NOx formation.

However, because the fuel is ignited before it is fully vapourised, some places in the cylinder lack a sufficient supply of oxygen, resulting in the formation of soot that causes black smoke in the exhaust.

The measures adopted to accomplish M-Fire combustion include:

optimisation of fuel injection timing;
application of heavy exhaust gas recirculation (EGR); and
generation of strong fuel swirl.

In diesel engines, fuel has traditionally been injected at a point considerably before the piston reaches top dead centre (TDC) of the compression stroke.

In the ZD30 engine, the injection timing has been changed so that the fuel is injected closer to TDC of the stroke, allowing compressed air to enter the expansion stroke, thus combustion occurs after the pressure has started to drop meaning lower pressure at the onset of combustion.

As well, injecting fuel at this point allows ample time for fuel to evaporate because it is not ignited immediately after being injected making it possible to accomplish premixed combustion.

In designing the ZD30 engine, Nissan engineers increased the Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) rate. This results in a gradual combustion process in which the mixture does not burn instantaneously following ignition, which keeps the combustion temperature from rising.

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Follow Up By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Wednesday, Oct 20, 2004 at 21:35

Wednesday, Oct 20, 2004 at 21:35
Hi Charles,
Thanks for the details of the 'M-fire' system.. Haven't had a chance to study it in detail yet (busy as a one-armed Baghdad brickie at the moment), but I will soon.
First impressions are that this is a document written by marketing gurus, not engineers - a few of the ideas proposed don't seem to make a lot of sense at first reading.
Anyway, I reserve my judgment until I've had a good think about it all, - but still don't think you'd have any problems blanking-off the EGR.
Ian
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 14:49

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 14:49
I have also heard of people blocking EGR valves on 2.4L and 3.0L Surfs with no noticable effects.
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