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can an old gas bottle used as air reservoir?

Submitted: Sunday, Jan 02, 2005 at 09:49

time waster

i'm looking at buying an arb air compessor and permantly mounting it under the bonnet. i know they are not a real fast at there air flow rate 24Lpm but the price is in my range $255 and down the track will fit front air locker my question is what to use as an reservoir tank have seen people use fire extinguisher bottles but i have a d/cab luxi and have two pockets either side of the rear wheels under the tray that i could fit two 4.5kg gas bottles, can old gas bottles be used as air reservoirs? thanks!
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AnswerID: 90999   Submitted: Sunday, Jan 02, 2005 at 10:58

Member - Ed. C. replied:

G'day time waster,
The gas cyls are rated pressure vessels, tested to 3.3 MPa (approx. 450 psi), so I can see no reason why they can't be used as air reservoirs (holding what, around 100 psi ??)...
In fact, I have done just that, mounted on the A-frame of my C/T, & used mainly for re-inflating tyres...
You'll need to make provision for a water drain outlet, which will mean drilling a hole & welding (or brazing) a suitable fitting, which in turn will mean that the test rating will be null & void (unless you have it re-tested)...
Just make sure there is no rust inside, & if you're gunna be applying any heat, then make sure there ain't no residual gases in there!!!
When I "modified" mine, it had been empty for like, many years, so there was no drama...

Regards, Ed. C.

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FollowupID: 349599   Submitted: Sunday, Jan 02, 2005 at 15:11

Banjo (SA) posted:

Ed - if mounted upside down, could the fill on the cylinder double as a water drain ?

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FollowupID: 349600   Submitted: Sunday, Jan 02, 2005 at 18:09

Member - Ed. C. posted:

G'day Banjo,
The problem I see with that approach, is that you'd be drawing air from the bottom of the tank, which is precisely where any condensation/water will collect... Not a good idea, IMO...
I had no qualms about welding the extra fittings for water drain & relief valve/pressure gauge on mine (using low-hydrogen electrodes)...
It holds pressure indefinitely, so there is obviously no porosity in the welds, therefore (presumably) no weakness there either..
(After all, how is the original threaded valve fitting attached??)

Regards, Ed. C.

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AnswerID: 91006   Submitted: Sunday, Jan 02, 2005 at 12:36

Rick Blaine replied:

I used one as a reservoir for air for many years.... I suggest that you rinse the interior with some turps or thinners then put some cold gal paint inside and swill it around to "Paint" the inside and it will resist internal corrosion well
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FollowupID: 349598   Submitted: Sunday, Jan 02, 2005 at 14:15

Member - Ed. C. posted:

Excellent idea!!
(coating the inside as you describe)...

Now why didn't I think o' that???

I'll hafta add it to my "Gunna-doo" list... Thanks for the tip...

Regards, Ed. C.

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AnswerID: 91011   Submitted: Sunday, Jan 02, 2005 at 15:49

gforse replied:

what a great idea thanks for the idea we have a dual cab lux as well am going to do same thank you very much even the missus said excellent garry karen
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AnswerID: 91019   Submitted: Sunday, Jan 02, 2005 at 17:23

Member - Mark W (VIC) replied:

time waster
I was looking to do this, was in town at George Taylor Store ( Vic ) and they had ex Army air tanks with inlet outlet and drain all ready to go for $20.00 about 4 inch by 2 foot long fits behind bull bar or underneath easily. Worth a look ??
Mark
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FollowupID: 349639   Submitted: Monday, Jan 03, 2005 at 08:19

Member - Bernie. (Vic) posted:

Hi Mark do you have an address for George Taylor (Vic) I cant find one ?

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AnswerID: 91067   Submitted: Monday, Jan 03, 2005 at 08:06

Nick R replied:

A problem with welding them could possibly (I might be wrong) be a risk of explosion. not sure about cylinders but I know with fuel tanks, they need to be de-gassed for a time first to ensure no fuel remains.
Our local mechanic has a heap of old cylinders, yours might too, which held inert gasses which would be safe for welding.
I'm interested in doing the same, let me know how you go.
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AnswerID: 91078   Submitted: Monday, Jan 03, 2005 at 09:48

Member - Mark W (VIC) replied:

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the web address for GTS is www.georgetaylorsstores.com.au
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AnswerID: 91184   Submitted: Monday, Jan 03, 2005 at 20:58

GRAEME replied:

If you go to a truck wreckers you can get an air tank of almost any size.
I got one for $15 with fittings at both ends, a drain valve and brackets.
It's about 5 or 6 litres and mounted nicely on the gearbox crossmember.
I use a rattle gun all the time using an a/c compressor.
Graeme
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AnswerID: 91238   Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 04, 2005 at 09:40

Rod W replied:

Agree with Graeme. Pick-up/use one from a truck wrecker.
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AnswerID: 91285   Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 04, 2005 at 14:07

Member - Jeff M (WA) replied:

I bought one form Michigan Trucks in america when I ordered my air springs. www.trucksprings.com

Works a treat, was only about $25 new and get's HEAPS of use blowing my very very loud air horns, raising and lowering the back suspension and blowing out air filters while on dusty trips.


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AnswerID: 91383   Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:24

Member - DOZER replied:

Gday
The gas cylinder is a good idea, and the gas bleed valve could be used to relieve water....the 9 kg models also have a relief valve on them should a pressure switch not work effectively...having said that, i use old dry powder fire extinguishers. They are rated to 200psi, and the alloy tops are easy to tap out 1/8 bsp, holes are already there, and some threads aswell.
The nearest scrap place will have one hundred at least/..
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