Rod W posted:

So will my 1600kg tirfor, and the electric motor will never burn out.

Member - Howard (ACT) posted:

hi Baz,
would be happy with a 9000lb+ winch and I know your X-9 shifts trees.

BTW how did last weekend go?
catch up soon
Howard

Outnabout David (SA) posted:

So you have been moving trees with it have you. You are supposed to find a big tree and move the vehicle. Seriously glad it is working to your satisfaction.

Redback posted:

Rod, it was a inside joke i helped Howard move a tree on his property a few weekends ago ;-)))

David yep works well, thanks i have used it on the car too, lol.

Howard the weekend was good did, Whitemans and Slippery rock, with some slight damage to the rear quarter panels nothing too bad, lol.

The only bad thing was Honey got a tick and nearly died, but she is fine now and home recovering.

I'll let you know in plenty of time about that blokes only weekend.

Baz.

Rod W posted:

Yep, not a problem Redback and Outnabout. I have/do use my come-a-long (Tirfor type but not the Tirfor make) to remove unwanted trees in the backyard. Set-ups with single, double or triple pulls depending on the stubborn-ness of the tree, with sand soils here in Perth it is amazing the grip some trees have. The last one was a 60cm dia stump to which its resistance snapped a winch strap (rated at 4 tonne) that I had in the set-up. But I won in the end.

Redback posted:

Rod i have a 1.6t Big Haul hand winch as well as the vehicle winch, works brilliant.

Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) posted:

Not enough My 10,000p Warn wont pull my 80 out with a snatch block if your sitting on the diffs and wont even go close with a single pull

signman posted:

If the engine is running. And if the engine is running you won't drain the battery.
At least the electric one will operate with engine not running.

Longreach posted:

Again, I don't have one but I'm sure I've read that electic winches draw the power faster than the alternator can put it back. Is this true ?

I agree that the hydraulic ones do have this disadvantage of not running if the engine has stopped. Not a good situation if your engine wont start in the middle of a river.

Cheers.

signman posted:

As with any winching operation- the idea is NOT to give it one continuous pull. Rather winch a bit, then survey the situation, winch a bit more then let the winch (electic or hydraulic) cool a bit etc.
With a decent size battery that all 4wds should have, theres enough power to winch out of a decent boghole.

Wayne (NSW) posted:

signman,

I had an 9000lb warn winch on the 80 series and now have a OX hydraulic on the Troopie.
With the electric it can be used with out the motor running, but for only a short time, and if the motor is running then the idle has to be set at 1200/1500rpm. Pity they have dropped the hand throttle on most of the vehicles.

The electric can and should only be used for a short amount of time and more time allowed to rest so that the battery can recover and the winch cool down.

The hydraulic has to have the motor running but only at idle, and from what I have seen there is no build up of heat in the winch or the power steering fluid. The winching speed is very slow, but does have a high speed rewind of the cable after use. The winch is rated at 10,000lb and will fit into the space of a 9,000lb electric winch.

Having said that if you are towing a trailer of any kind then a hand winch is a must. It is no good having a winch on the front of the vehicle and the trailer jack knives and needs to be pulled back wards.

The debate could go on forever, but what ever winch is chosen training in the safe use of the winch is a must.

Wayne

Member - Howard (ACT) posted:

Duncs,
I take on board what you say about the weight of the 1200 v 9500 .
even in the 9500 there is the same choice on HP and gearing.
My basic understanding was that the better gearing the easier the pull but the longer time it will take to move the vehicle a certain distance.
what I am really asking ,given that in my opinion most recoveries are over a relatively short distance,
is whether a bigger hp higher geared winch(assume this draws more power under load) is better or worse than a lower hp lower geared winch which should draw less power but may take a bit longer to complete the task.
what are others experience ?,after what distance/time would one have the advantage over the other?while both have same rating I would have thought that a lower geared winch would be stronger or is it the other way around ?

thanks to those that have responded so far.
Howard

Crackles posted:

Agree completely Duncs.
The power & speed to the weight of the winch is far superior on a 9500lb than any of the big boys (except a 8k high mount). For an item the average bloke will run out less than 5 times a year, the 12000lb is very heavy over the front end & has far less cable length.
Recovering 2 near identical heavily laden Cruisers the 9.5K outpulled the 12K in speed & goes to show a big HP motor & high rated capacity does not necesarally equate to better pulling power. The 12k has so little cable you end up pulling on the 2nd & 3rd layers all the time which are only about 9,000lb anyway.
As they are so slow, when you assist by driving they continually overrun birdcaging the cable.
Only if you are regually winching very heavy loads would I concider a 12k.
Cheers Craig........
Ramsey 9500HS

Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) posted:

I dont understand this fascination with winch speed. Your not going on a warn winch outback challenge are you? Generally when stuck My main concern is to get out not wheather i can save 30 sec doing it. I would certainly go the 12 as anything less wont pull an 80 out if bogged properly (I know for a fact a 10 wont) even better I have found Hi lifts to be far more effective in unbogging badly bogged vehicles

Crackles posted:

Dave I think you missed the point on winch speed. Although relatively fast, a 9.5K HS would not be anywhere quick enough for a winch challenge. They're often running 8K high mounts at 24 volt with with upgraded motors, plasma rope, custom gearing & even water cooling.
Speed is important as I mentioned to avoid over run & to recover a vehicle out of muddy water. (I for one would prefer to get out quickly to avoid filling the car with mud)
After looking at Warns specs the 9.5HS outpulls the 12k right accross the full load range & even when its double blocked it's still quicker at 12.000lb load. Where the big winch wins is it uses around 15% less power but because it's so slow its running for longer so the end power usage is pretty much the same.
& it's not just 30 seconds you save. It takes almost 5 minutes just to wind in all the cable with no load on a 12k & less than half that on a 9.5.
The 12k is 26 kg heavier, slower, more expensive & I question that many bull bars for an 80 series would be rated to take 10 tonne. (full load double blocked)
Agree totally that the high lift is a great unbogging tool only surpased by the mighty shovell;-)
To further answer your question Howard as to which motor size is best in the 9.5K range for example the XP with the big 6hp motor is around 5 to 10% faster under load than the 4.6 hp HS although surprisingly is 60% slower unloaded. This extra speed under load comes at a big cost to power consumption varing between 10 & 60% more.
I suppose what you have to concider is do you need that extra line speed & if so will your battery system supply the extra power?
Cheers Craig.........

ACDC posted:

Would that be a Tmax ! yuk