Electronic Rust Prevention

Has anyone got any comments on this topic, does it actually work? or is there a more effective method of rust proofing other than using fish oil.
I don’t think my offsider would appreciate the smell of dead fish in her brand new cruiser and stains on the driveway. This is the reason for my interest in electronic prevention.
Thanks,

Matt
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Reply By: glenno(qld) - Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 08:42

Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 08:42
Some people say it works.
Some people say it doesnt.
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Reply By: G-wizz - Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 09:01

Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 09:01
Lanolin
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Reply By: shane c - Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 09:13

Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 09:13
Fish oil and techtol smell does not smell forever ,well it did'nt for me and works great ?
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Reply By: pjchris - Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 10:09

Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 10:09
Dr Karl Doesn't think they work.

Also see this thread

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Reply By: Howard T - Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 11:20

Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 11:20
Hi Matt,

I have a "counteract" ERP on my Series 80. Have had it checked yearly as per warranty for last 5 years. Cost me around $900 in those days.
Just had rust cut out on the bottom sill of the window at the back. I know this model is notorious for rust in these back sills. No beach work either by the way.
I dont think I would get another one.
I have been told they are supposed to be great if you spend a lot of time driving thru salt water or on the beach (eg pro fishermen).
Howard.


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Reply By: chump_boy - Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 11:46

Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 11:46
I don't think these things work, but I thought it was best to look on the websites of some of the manufacturers for an explaination of how these things work.

Taken from www.erps.com.au:
"The Capacitive Coupling system is dependent on a dielectric coating of some sort to be effective. In most cases this will be paint. Where metal surfaces are left bare there will be a surface coating of ferric oxide form, as until this coating occurs no charge can hold on the metal surface. The ferric oxide is an insulator and therefore acts as a dielectric. The System will not prevent rust stains forming on porous paint because the porous paint is not an adequate dielectric, and so a layer of oxidation forms that will tend to run after it has rained, but if left this will not proceed to rust perforation. Still, rust stains are unsightly so in most cases we would recommend a paint sealant or good quality polish to seal the paint and eliminate the problem."
So in other words, rust will still happen, but when you see it, they recommend you paint over it.......

Taken from www.couplertec.com.au:
"With Capacitive Coupling Technology, the vehicle's paintwork plays a very important role, it acts as the dielectric which holds the charge static and stops the electron flow from bleeding away."
Again, painted metal is protected (no bleep , i hear you say), and bare metal (stone chips, scratches etc...) are not.

Taken from Motorcare.com.au/erps2.htm
"E.R.P.S. prevents or slows paint oxidation, keeps paint shiny and helps retard corrosion. E.R.P.S. works on all metal surfaces, including brakes, radiators and exhaust systems, etc. E.R.P.S. when correctly applied, can stop or slow the spread of existing rust, even if very advanced.
E.R.P.S. goes a long way towards preventing electrolysis caused by dissimilar metals E.R.P.S. is proven to reduce maintenance costs, prevent rust, improve trade-in values and prolong vehicle life.
E.R.P.S. uses very little power and being a negative charge, won't interfere with car computers, radios, etc.
E.R.P.S. is transferable if you sell your existing car. It can be removed and replaced on your new car.
E.R.P.S. an all Australian Co. manufacturing quality products, from Australian made or sourced components.
E.R.P.S. guarantee everything we say and do - and we guarantee we know what we are talking about."
See if you can find the bit where it says it will definitely protect your car from rust... I couldn't. And I didn't know electronic interference only came from positive electricity....
Also from the same site:
"4WD VEHICLE FIVE YEAR WARRANTY
Applies to all 4WD vehicles that have travelled less than 120,000kms for a period of five years from date of manufacturer.This warranty is underwritten by Lloyds of London. Conditions apply"
Not only are there no conditions available on the site for purchasers to look at, but the warranty is only good for vehicles less than 5 years old!

I think if the manufacturers and distributers of these products say they don't work, I'll side with them.

Chump
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 13:13

Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 13:13
S H I T...................Looks like I'll be able to reduce the weight of my Patrol by a coupla-hundred grams!!!!! I don't like having useless stuff on the truck and I have great respect for Dr Karl Krizelinski (even if I can't spell his bloody name right!!!).

I've had my Counteract system on for about 3 or 4 years (GU is 5 years old). I live in the bush (so no convenient, authorised fitters handy), so I fitted it myself; no warranty.

If anybody wants to buy my $600- box of electronic wizardry for a price yet to be negotiated, please let me know!!!! hahaha

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 19:36

Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 19:36
A few hundred grams off!! That should get it down to a respectable 4 tonne!!! michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 21:31

Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 21:31
Yeh, thanks Michael...!!!!!!!!!! hehehehe

Now, surely one of your 2 shiny rigs needs a CounterAct (aka "CouplerTec").....???????????

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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 21:52

Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 21:52
Thanks roachie but no thanks. Actually looking for one those peter brock Polarizers, metallic blue thingo's. yeah.. Much better i think...
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Reply By: kiss'n'dirt - Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 20:05

Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 20:05
Mate

ERPS does work. and i'm talking about the 'brand' ERPS not electronic rust protection in general.

i have a GU and i have one with 10 pads. I'll definitely keep it for my next vehicle. My vehicle regularly goes to Fraser-Cooloola, Moreton, Straddie, Bribie where salt water is and it's always under the sun 24/7. The paint is perfect with no rust. I'm entering the next show 'n' shine at Cruiser Park.

My bro has a yota Kluger with 9 pads and his also frequent fraser, moreton and so on and he's only a dodgy washer of his vehicle. his beast is perfect.

Counteract or CouplerTec (same company/ bleep - different smell) i know WOULD work if it had more pads. When i enquired, they only had 2. Apparently now they have 4. No where near enough.

Even ERPS the company at Gold Coast only recommend 6 pads plus the beach pack. No where near enough.

I have 2 pads on opposite corners of my chassis, 2 at front of vehicle, 2 in middle and 2 in rear. 1 on large rear door and 1 on steel bullbar.

just remember where you put you pads allow current to flow. Insulation materials like rubber stops current flow.

And IT DOES NOT STOP RUST. It slows down the chemical process of rusting to an extremely slow level. I've clarified it's info with many collegues (big chem head geeks) and all agreed. I asked them about the chemical barriers as well. They said over time, it makes no difference.

This topic was here just days ago. Go have a look at it. I wrote alot more about ERPS in there and how it works. It'll make sense.

If you want to see my GU. Go to 4wd monthly forum in general discussions. look at topic - my TI Patrol. They are pics of my GU. IT really does work but you know now how many pads i have on my truck.

The main thing is to wash the vehicle down after use. Garden hose, don't use high pressure washer. You'll blow sand and salt into areas you'll never get to and rust the sh*t out of your truck.

Read the other thread.
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Reply By: Big Woody - Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 21:49

Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 21:49
I have the genuine ERPS system on my 80 series since brand new. Nearly 15 years now.
It has also been very well rustproofed from the factory and regularly ever since with Tectyl.
Not a spot of rust in it but I still reckon the ERPS hasn't done a thing. Why??? You may ask.

Because in 1990 we all thought the 80 series was going to rust like the 60 series. Now 15 years later, I see 80 series everywhere, many of them have never had any form of rust treatment. I am still yet to see a rusty one and I live right near Fraser Island.

If you ask me, I would pay the dollars and have the car professionally rustproofed as their products are very good and don't smell much. They also have the gear to get right into the little spots you can't reach yourself.

Regards,
Brett
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Reply By: dags666 - Saturday, Nov 19, 2005 at 07:43

Saturday, Nov 19, 2005 at 07:43
do a lot of beach fishing and camping at double island frasier have a mate who is a pro wormer and his nissan is full of rust and he had one of these fitted when the vechile was new .my advice get your car professionly rust proofed and clean the crap out of it when you get home cars rust from the inside out not the other way round Dags
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Reply By: pjchris - Saturday, Nov 19, 2005 at 16:51

Saturday, Nov 19, 2005 at 16:51
Guys,

You must remember that there are two basic types of rust protection devices.

Sacrificial or Cathodic protection and the Capacative coupling type.

Here is a web site selling rust protection that is uncommonly frank about the limitations of both...Of course, they then go on to say how they combine the two to give a system that works...

Funnily enough it is the RustStop RS2000.... It appears to be the same device as mentioned above.

Will it work...my personal opinion is....Yes and No.

On areas of the vehicle directly between the unit and the pads where the current actually flows it probably will...Will the current flow out in to other areas? I personally doubt it, but I am not an expert in the field of Rust.

Also I note that a search of the US FTC wesite shows that RustEvader corporation have had action taken against them for falsely claiming that their devices which "impress an electron bath on the vehicle's surface that interferes with oxygen's ability to couple with ferrous metals" inhibited rust. Which sounds a lot like capacative coupling to me.

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