Mad Dog (Australia) posted:

haha, sour grapes, those guys are worth trillions

David from Engine Saver Low Water Alarms posted:

You are probably right!

When we commissioned our website a few years back we were simple enough to think people would be able to find us with a search.

Most folks do use Google and as our website designer told us "There are many ways to get listed on Google, unfortunately they keep shifting the goalposts, so the easiest way is to become a paying advertiser"

We thought the idea of a search engine was to "help users find what they need quickly and intuitively", as Alta Vista say in their mission statement.

At least Google could be honest enough to say they are primarily an advertiser, rather than a search engine in the first place.

I an not sour, it has just been a long, sow learning curve. :)))))

Davy

Willem posted:

Davy

I have had no issue with Google at all and I do not subscribe or advertiser with them

Our own private, non commercial family website, last year got over 200,000 hits and 15,000 plus page views

The website is so well known especially to genealogy researchers that very large organisations have published, ( read stolen ) content from it. But I don't mind as long the history aspect is preserved.

David from Engine Saver Low Water Alarms posted:

To the man formerly known as Banjo:

Yes Alta vista is a worth engine too!
Even gives us top billing!

I quote this from the Alta Vista web site,

"Our Goal
A cornerstone of AltaVista's mission is to provide access to information to the global community, and we are dedicated to setting the standard for search technology and how people find information. As the Web becomes larger and more complex, finding relevant information efficiently has become increasingly vital to Internet users. By innovating our proven search technology and adapting to the changing complexity of the Internet, we help users find what they need quickly and intuitively. Our topical searches aggregate information into highly segmented indexes, helping users refine their searches and quickly access the most pertinent and useful information. The company's `Power of Precision' philosophy underlies everything we do as we strive to deliver the most powerful search tools available. We continue to evolve with new initiatives dedicated to continually improving freshness, quality and relevancy to help users get the precise results they seek"

I wonder what google declare as their "mission" ???

Davy

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Bega Photographer posted:

Anyway Davy,

You tell us things that are not true! I just did a search for the search term, low water alarm Engine Saver, and you're in position 2 and 3 amongst two and a half million results. Position 1 and 2 are ExplorOz pages for your product. What more could you want?

Get your keywords sorted out and you'll be right. You need to do a keyword search in Overture Ketword Selector.

Wilderness Landscape Photography

Regards,
Laurie.

David from Engine Saver Low Water Alarms posted:

Thank you Laurie for your detailed reply.

I will pass this on verbatim to our web site designer as most of what you said is beyond my knowledge of web site design and performance.

I will take you to task though for stretching it a little bit though about your search result.

I said search for "low water alarm", not for enginesaver.

Most people who look for a low water alarm wil search for precicely that, as they most probable have never heard of us and is the reason they are searching in the first place.

At no time have I, or will I tell you something that is not true.
I totally resent the implication.

Thank you once again for the content of your reply if not the hostile tone.

Davy

GaryInOz (Vic) posted:

What hostile tone????

It was a complete, honest, open attempt to help a fellow business.

"...Reply post if you wish to discuss this further, and I'll private e-mail you with some sugestions.

You may find this a bit harsh. I asked myself weather to tell you what you need to know or leave you in your ignorance. I decided you were worth sticking my neck out for. ..."

Notwithstanding, your point about what ppl would initially search for should be taken. Most ppl initially wil not have any idea of brands, if they did they would google the brand name only, or simply ".com" or ".com.au" it.

David from Engine Saver Low Water Alarms posted:

Thanks again for the reply Gary.

Yes we do seem to have lost sight of my original point which was simply that a search of google couldn't find any references to trailblaza or autofridge.

I found references on other search engines easily...
The same with low water alarm.

Best Wishes
Davy

Bega Photographer posted:

Now Davy,

In a concilliatory tone, please let me explain.

In Google there are:

6,860,000 results for low water alarm,
600,000 for engine saver,
132 for enginesaver,
47 for low water alarm enginesaver,
2,150,000 for low water alarm engine saver.

Your site is optimized for the keyword enginesaver. Trouble is, according to Overture Keword Selector Tool, nobody, worldwide searches for enginesaver.

Last month, according to Overture, there were 69 searches for engine saver, but that term does not appear on your site, so your site will not come up for that search term.

Please note that enginesaver and engine saver are different.

To be seen in Google, you need to be in the first three pages (first 30 results).

You've got Buckley's hope of achiving that for the search term low water alarm with 6,800,000 sites compeating for the top spot. The man who can achieve that is on a salary of $200,000 with a luxury car thrown in.

There is so much more that could be concluded from my basic reserch but that will do for a 4x4 forum.

You are in the Google results for the search term, low water alarm. I've established that by narrowing the search by adding a term that I know is in your site (enginesaver). However, you could well be a million or more from the top for the search term, low water alarm.

So, you see, what you told us was incorrect. And, yes, I was a bit hostile.

What you said about Google could be seen as slandarous. You'd better hope that Google isn't hostile because they've got teeth.

I see you haven't taken onboard my advice about the ancor text for your link on ExplorOz forum. I'll set that up for you if you wish.

Wilderness Landscape Photography

Regards,
Laurie.