The Yeti posted:

Well didn't that get a response, Yes I am a first timer and now I know to look around before asking questions, maybe click first and ask questions later. But seriously thanks everyone, you have certainly made up my mind. Oh yes I do live in the sticks but not as far out as I would like.

the Yeti

ro-dah-o (WA) posted:

good onya, it takes some atleast three attempts!!

Gramps (NSW) posted:

Yeti,

Don't be put off by these well meaning shyte stirrers. They can't help themselves :)))) Pampered menials all of them. They were all conditioned to provide set responses at the sound of the bell or the mention of certain words at the Pavlov 4WD Academy of Sciences.

Post your questions as you see fit but be prepared for some good natured ribbing hahahahaha

The Yeti posted:

Dont worry Al it take a lot more to put me off, my skins as thick as my tyres
Regards Yeti

Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) posted:

"my skins as thick as my tyres "

Coopers man I'd say,

Geoff.

Gramps (NSW) posted:

Now Geoff, don't start that old chestnut .... LOL

Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) posted:

Al,
I'm in training.
Mum rang me last night, reckons she's got a possum in her roof.
Soo, stirring possums here is good training for the real thing tomorrow afternoon!!

See, it's relevant!!

Al, you and I could have a parcel of fun over a fire and a beer!

Geoff.

GaryInOz (Vic) posted:

"my skins as thick as my tyres "

Especially around the sidewalls...............

Gramps (NSW) posted:

Geoff,

She does'nt need holes in the ceiling for BIG downlights (or Hiclones) does she? I could bring the shottie along hahahahahaha

Yeah mate, we'll have to get together some time. I'm looking at the proposed National Gathering in SA next year to meet some of our fellow reprobates and ne'er do wells :)))))

Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) posted:

"Especially around the sidewalls............... "

Yes, well, hmmmm each year my "sidewalls" get thicker!

Geoff.

Gramps (NSW) posted:

Hmmm, mine just seem to bag out a lot more LOLOL suppose I'll have no problem rolling over the sand hahahahahaha

Member - Bill S (NSW) posted:

Well Well, Just goes to show the mentality of some and the brilliance of others,some live in their own bubble whilst others tend to wander ouside the square they live in.The people who do venture put often become somewhat surprised as to what is out there. These people are the ones who have the right to comment on what they have discovered.It is the people who sit in their bubble and comment on things they know nothing of that bemuse me.
Believe it or not advances in moving forward are generated by those who make the effort to do so.
Just take a look at what this little question asked of this forum has generated amazing,some genuine remarks but many uncalled for also.

Happy Days BILLS

Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses posted:

Just declare you interest Bill. We already know it is in $$$$$$$$$$$ only without coming here as a commercial member. You weren't involved with that water propulsion car in Queensland years ago were you?

rhino posted:

Hey guys as for the hi-clone I put one on my gq 4.2d and found that it was smoother when idiling and seemed to pull better up hills , also econ was a little better so yea well worth it .cheers Rhino.

joc45 posted:

Yours too?

Member - Barry C (NT) posted:

Ian you know YOU should REALLY be paying Yeti to take them,,, fes up

Member - Ian S (NT) posted:

Sorry Yeti I forgot

I've also got some Quintex shares cheap.

This is such a good idea you could make a fortune.

Cheers
Ian @Mt Dare

Member - Matt M (ACT) posted:

Barry,

Therein lies your problem. Sounds like your pre-fitted Hiclone is a Northern Hemisphere model with the veins angled the wrong way to be truly effective in the Southern hemisphere. It is a little known fact that, if you have the wrong one fitted, the coriolis effect will actually work against you and reduce fuel efficiency rather than increase it.

Fit a Southern hemisphere model and you could be looking at a 20% improvement in fuel economy.

Matt.

Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses posted:

Wouldn't it be better in front of the radiator Baz? That way the cooling would be assisted too. LOL

Member - Barry C (NT) posted:

Nah the noise would drive other nuts if it was up front,,,, and my TD sucks reallllllllllllll good.

We'd be better off asking Ian if it would be too cold tomorrow morning for a hi clone at MtDare!

Member - Matt M (ACT) posted:

Naah. Just gunnery.

Pajman Pete (SA) posted:

Seriously though,

If I put a Hiclone on my Waco condenser, put a Fitch in the Gennie and balance the whole lot on a Cooper ST will it fill up the Gennie fuel tank if I leave the lid open in the high country in July? ??

Pete

Don from Fitch Fuel Catalyst Australia Pty Ltd posted:

White 100srs 2005 auto ,turbo,no hiclone-Brisbane to Shellharbour via newengland hiway 1096k=110ltrs=9.9klp/l=10lph beat that.

Bills

chump_boy posted:

Trouble is Don, or Bill, or the 2 Bills, or whoever you are today, you post no evidence of any of these claims - ever!

It's always a case of "results are just round the corner", "the dyno broke just before we hooked it up", or some other excuse. Every now and then you throw in some crap about the RTA or NRMA, but you never deliver!

I think now you are doing more damage than good to your product. Either come up with something scientific, or rely on gullible people stumbling accross your website.

Cheers,

Chump

ross posted:

Good post Chump Boy.
And Don I also call on you to come up with some scientific,independantly audited figures or I call B/S on you and your product.

I think the truth is getting out about these products as there seems to be less and less clowns willing to jump in and support them.

chump_boy posted:

It would be so easy to prove it works - the fact that you haven't offered so much as a hint of proof puts you in the same league as homeopaths, religious evangelists, and used car salesmen (I apologise in advance to all homeopaths and evangelists....).

You word is worth very little, as you stand to profit from people looking highly upon your product. And your word is all that is ever offed here. Nothing else. Nothing. Ever........

I do admire your perseverance though. I wouldn't come back time and time again.....lol...

Cheers,

Chump

ross posted:

"I do admire your perseverance though. I wouldn't come back time and time again.....lol... "

Its actually called having a hide as thick as an elephant or maybe its it just plain lack of scruples when it comes to taking peoples money.

Pajman Pete (SA) posted:

"There is scarcely anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse, and sell a little more cheaply. The person who buys on price alone is this man's lawful prey."

- John Ruskin

Alloy c/t posted:

Pajman Pete , thats a lovely quote ,one Im sure will become part of BillS mantra just as "theres a sucker born every minute" and of course his personal favorite "a fool and his money are soon parted ,with the money to be in my pocket"

Quotes are from the Fitch School of Salesmanship text book , which is of course a top secret document just as all documents relating to Fitches actual performance is.

Member - Bill S (NSW) posted:

Hey Yeti, Where is your home paddock?I need to talk to you.

Regards BILLS

GaryInOz (Vic) posted:

Bill S (NSW)

If Yeti want's to contact you, he will. This is not a solicitation forum. He did not ASK for your input, and he did not ASK about your product.

Honour your pledge.........................

Member - Bill S (NSW) posted:

GarryinOz, Product was NEVER mentioned and further more your interference was never asked for.And once again I never mentioned My product,I know when to pull my head in and when not to.All good things come to those who wait.

Regards BILLS

Alloy c/t posted:

Hey BillS ,,,Im still waiting ,waiting,waiting, werent you supposed to be suing me for calling you a liar and a con merchant ?? still waiting,,,,,,,,,,,,

GaryInOz (Vic) posted:

FollowUp 2 of 12 posted 03 Jul 2006 at ****14:06****
Don from Fitch Fuel Catalyst Australia Pty Ltd posted this followup
White 100srs 2005 auto ,turbo,no hiclone-Brisbane to Shellharbour via newengland hiway 1096k=110ltrs=9.9klp/l=10lph beat that.

Bills

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FollowUp 11 of 12 posted 03 Jul 2006 at ****16:57*****
Member - Bill S (NSW) posted this followup
GarryinOz, ***Product was NEVER mentioned*** and further more your interference was never asked for.And once again I never mentioned My product,I know when to pull my head in and when not to.All good things come to those who wait.

Regards BILLS

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Oh yes it was Bill S (NSW), by you three hours earlier. Totally unrequested information, not relevant to the original question posed.

Alzheimers is getting a bit bad isn't it Bill S (NSW)....................

You need new glasses to I think. If I show you the courtesy of spelling your name correctly, the least you could do is spell mine correctly.

GaryInOz

Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) posted:

"All good things come to those who wait."
Please don't hold your breath!!

My 2006 TD RV Model Troop Carrier regularly returns 10 to 11 litres per 100km and its still as tight as the proverbial fishes. I guess that's because it's white!!

Geoff.

Pajman Pete (SA) posted:

No independent testing = no evidence!

I can vary my fuel consumption by more than 10% simply by driving differently. Years ago my mother drove my 2 ltr Escort 350 miles keeping the vacuum gauge in the green because she thought it was dangerous to take it into the yellow. I never got even close to the fuel consumption she had on that trip. I'm not sure what the conversion is but she got 45 MPG. My best ever run was 32! That equals a 40% saving.

Pete

Member - Bill S (NSW) posted:

Hey Andrew, Mine is, and it is the one in question ,that nobody can match the figures on,or I should say no one will match their figures to mine.

Regards BILLS

Member - Matt M (ACT) posted:

Bill,

I'll match it. Mica Green 80srs 1994 manual,normally aspirated petrol, no hiclone-1096k=100ltrs=10.96 km/l=9.12l/ 100km, beat that!

I'll see your Fitch and raise you a Hiclone.

'I know when to pull my head in and when not to.' Hmmmmmmmmmm...

ross posted:

"Hey Andrew, Mine is, and it is the one in question ,that nobody can match the figures on,or I should say no one will match their figures to mine.

Regards BILLS "

All you have to do is get it independantly audited (and that means without any of the testing done by yourself) and you have a case.
That load of crap you pass off on your web site as independant testing with you doing the driving and them coming back while someone measures the fuel usage is just not believable

At the moment its just your word which doesnt seem to have too much weight round here.
Your attitude towards backing up your product with some hard evidence is typical of those who fllog fuel saving gadgets.

Pajman Pete (SA) posted:

From the Fitch Website:

"Fitch Fuel Catalyst Australia Pty. Ltd. makes no warranty, assurance or guarantee as to the extent of fuel savings and/or emission reductions in any use of Fitch Fuel Catalyst."

The rest of the disclaimers in the sixth paragraph of this link make interesting reading too:

Fitch disclaimers

Myth Busted

Pete

Member - Bill S (NSW) posted:

HI Matt/ACT, AUTO diesel no comparison to manual petrol,but thanks for your figures,it is a common sense answer thank you.

Regards BILLS

ross posted:

Bill S Your disclaimer says the" fuel saver" gadget was subjected to"numerous tests and independent evaluations"

How can it be an independant evaluation with Bill Sheather as the test driver?

I presume you are Bill Sheather.

Member - Bill S (NSW) posted:

HI Ross, I will explain this again,I drove my vehicle to Melbourne as arranged by Vipac,met vipac engineers at Altona site at designated time.After he set the vehicle up I was told that they had no driver,so I stated that being a mechanic I could drive as I had done many tests before at other establishments over the years.
After two test runs engineer stated I was as good or even better than the regular driver,so I consented to do the driving for the test,and was glad i did as it was a very rigorous test and my vehicle having done 300,000 plus I did not want just any driver behind the wheel
.Any way it is the name on the papers that appears to be the problem.But
after driving to Melbourne I was not prepared to wait indefinatly for a driver of theirs .AS my driving technique was equal to their driver the outcome would have been no different,the test is Genuine regardless of what is said.Further to this I was the biggest sceptic of all about this until I put it to the test and proved me totally WRONG.We run an advertising system on ExplorOz and that is where it will stay.
I am totally sick of trying to help others who think I am just about making money well guess again I really dont give a rats about the financial side just knowing that our product is reducing exhaust emissions from every motor vehicle fitted is reward enough. The GOOD people in society are rewarding to know the nasty people weeeeell.

Regards BILL SHEATHER Iam

ross posted:

Thanks for your honesty Bill but the proper way to do a test like this is for the vehicle to be strapped to a dyno.
The engine is kept at certain rpms under a simulated load for a set time then the test is repeated under IDENTICAL conditions with the changes made.
Just driving around regardless of the good intentions of the driver does not give an accurate result.

The engineer who says you are the best driver ,was he/she being paid by you??
You say there was no driver available,then you say you did not just want any driver behind the wheel and then its the name on the papers that is the problem!!??

A year 8 high school science student would have a better idea of scientific methods of testing.

Pajman Pete (SA) posted:

This would be the test that went for only 29 minutes (1794 seconds) with Bill S driving.

It is interesting that in any other debate on here: Waeco/Engel, Tojo/Troll, MTR/Coopers etc etc, there are plenty of members willing to leap to the defence of both sides giving their real world experiences.

No one but Bill is prepared to defend the Fitch.

Where are all the forumites who have tried it, found it works and are willing to back him?

Anyone? ?

Hello?

Member - Bill S (NSW) posted:

HI Ross.Test was done under strict rules,strapped to a dyno and a CUEDC test carried out as per standard by Vipac engineers.AS I know and do the engineers at Vipac know this test was genuine so I leave it rest there until further test results are known,but due to the disbelief of results by readers I guess all will be questioned by the knowledgable professors on this forum.And Ross in case you do not understand what CUEDC test entails I suggest that you read up and then retract your previous comment.I feel VIPAC engineers and scientists with the work they do are somwhat above year 8 after all they have been carrying out recognised tests for years.

Regards BILLS

Member - Scott M (NSW) posted:

"so I leave it rest there until further test results are known,"

Are ANY test results known and published ??????