Tyre Pressure

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 14:44
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I somewhat reluctantly enter the minefield of 4wd tyre pressure.
For 15 years I have operated an agricultural boom spraying business with a couple
of diesel hiluxs. For about 10 of those years I threw away about 100 tyres, staked,
or sidewall blowouts due to sticks & rocks etc. This happened to every type of tyre
I used on a fairly regular basis, expensive Coopers & el cheapos were all treated
with the same distain by the rough country travelled over. At that time I operated
at 35 to 40 psi (sorry for psi but I'm too old to figure that new stuff). Some said
that was too high but with 800 litres of water & another 700 kg of sprayrig I thought I needed at least that much pressure.
One day about five years ago,
as I chucked another 2 hour old tyre away, I got mad & pumped them up to 60 psi.
& , you guessed it, Ive hardly thrown a tyre away since. I use Firestone Firehawks
on 15 by 8 rims. Now I know this flies in the face of all the "expert "advice but it
has saved me thousands of bucks because it works!! And yes the hilux has
uprated springs. One more thing as I duck for cover..I dispute the advice I've
seen in this forum re letting your trailer tyre pressure down to that of the towing
vehicle in sand etc. You fill your wheelbarrow up with water,push it around with
a tight tyre,then let the tyre down & push again & tell me I'm wrong.
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Reply By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 15:00

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 15:00
Baz

Give me an an all expenses paid trip to Fraser Is and I'll test your theory.

Regardless of the results I'll tell everyone that your a great bloke and your theory is correct.:))))))

Regards Bob
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Follow Up By: oldbaz - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 16:24

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 16:24
Bob,
you deserve an all expenses paid trip to Fraser for agreeing with me!!!
Last time I was there ,(easter, some years back) they let so many on that many were forced to camp directly on the beach, in bad weather, very messy.
I hope they have sorted that out by now.

Regards.. Baz.
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 15:15

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 15:15
afraid it is without question the advice about letting your tyres down and towing. I watched a guy in a pajero struggling down the beach towing with his trailor tyres doind one revolution to his 2 before he became bogged and unhooked his trailor. I moved in and let his trailor tyres down and towed his trailor to firmer ground in an underpowered 3 tonne +2h diesal cruiser campervan while he watched on.
As for destrying tyres, why the heck would you be running radials on such equipment anyway? and 15 inch tyres would not even go close to having the load range you speak of.
16 inch 16 ply tyres would be the only choice for that type of work probablly about 150 bucks each
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Follow Up By: oldbaz - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 16:33

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 16:33
Hi Davoe, thanks for your thoughts on 16 ply rags. You are right of course, but I had too many bogging problems with the narrow width & had to revert to the
widies. Too much weight, I know but goes with the territory, and too greedy as well. I'm not sure about the trailer tyre pressure thing. Being a non driven wheel
I"m finding it difficult to follow, but you have had that experience & I bow to that.

Regards..Baz
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Reply By: Robin - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 15:35

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 15:35
I don't see the issue.
Its always been that there is no question that rolling
resistance reduces as you let tyres down in the soft sand and
that as tyres bag they become more suscepablte to sidewall punctures.

Figuring out best compromise is harder being terrain dependant.

Robin Miller
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Follow Up By: oldbaz - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 16:38

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 16:38
Hi Robin,

Your observation on terrain dependant is spot on, at the moment the high pressure,wide footprint seems to be the best I can come up with. I take your point
re the rolling resistance too.

Regards.. Baz.
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 18:01

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 18:01
Oldbaz , no bl--dy way can we fill a wheelbarrow with water in seQld at the moment but sand pressure is all about footprint length NOT width , tanks go better on sand than any truck ,, looooooong footprint ,spread the weight lengthwise not widthwise.
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Follow Up By: Muddy doe (SA) - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 20:09

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 20:09
Yep - Tanks are the extreme example but a much less expensive option to test the theory is to go for a walk on some sand - wet or dry. Firstly just walk barefoot on the heels of your foot with the front of your foot raised up. Then walk on the whole foot and see how the weiaght is distributed and how you don't sink in.

Opens the eyes to why tyres above 30psi struggle in sand!

Cheers
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Follow Up By: oldbaz - Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 11:39

Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 11:39
Hi Alloy & Muddy doe, thanks for your input. I dont dispute the benefit of lowering pressure in driven wheels on soft sand, but I couldnt see the benefit in doing so
for non driven ones, but I will cencede that I was wrong in light of the experiences
relayed here. Hell, I've been wrong before,once or twice I think. I take your point re lack of water in Qld, not much better down here in Southern NSW

Regards..Baz.
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Reply By: nonon - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 20:12

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 20:12
I always thought the same about tyre pressures on the trailer, but my brother has proven it several times while launching his boat from the beach at Coral Bay. Others come along and have all sorts of trouble untill they heed his advice and let the trailer tyres down.
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Reply By: Member - AVA 191 (QLD) - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 21:22

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 21:22
Old baz,
I agree with you 100%.
I read your account as applying to rough roads or gravel, while most people above are talking about sand. These are two different things entirely and need to be approached totally differently.

Thanks for the support - no need for me to go into "for instances" again, but our experiences over the years concur with yours.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 23:43

Thursday, Aug 17, 2006 at 23:43
Oldbaz - farming must be where my husband gets his reluctance to let down tyres, stating risk of side wall damage. I quote the basketball - blow it up tight and drop in to the floor - bouncy bouncy. That's what our caravan was doing on the corrugations (not to mention us in the patrol, although he let our back tyres down a bit after a used "but Willem said" a couple of times). Drop the basketball flat and there is very little bounce. From the posts i have read on the forum, the letting down tyres is winning over the sidewall damage risk.
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Follow Up By: oldbaz - Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 11:57

Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 11:57
Hello Motherhen, yes, farming is the reason. One must be slightly demented to
be in the game surely. Perhaps if I give alittle more detail of my operating conditions my choice of high pressure & wide track may appear sound.
Operating at 15 kph, load 1.5 ton decreasing, 2nd low range, hubs in as required.
Paddock conditions..rocks, loose on top, as big as a football, fallen trees, branches,
sharp sticks, gutters, stump holes and short stumps, rocky outcrops, stray wire
entangements. Add to that steep side slopes & constant bogging (when it used to
rain) & you can see why I"ve become the raving mess you see before you. But
someone has to do it. But I can only repeat..high pressure cured 90% of the
sidewall damage, wide track cured 75% of the bogging, but I'm still open to suggestions. Retirement you say? Give that person a knighthood.

Regards..Baz
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Reply By: stevesub - Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 08:36

Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 08:36
Always and interesting topic that gets people going.

Following are my experiences:

* Our Rangie on its tyre pressure plate says use the same pressure on and off road.
* We do not drop our pressures, even in sand and have had no problems and never been towed.
* In our Troopy, when we have dropped pressures when offroad, we have had tyres (750/16 LT) that have disintergrated in a manner that suggest under inflation. (30 to 40psi) When we have had the manufacters recommended pressures, no problems even though the rears are at 60psi.
* once again in 3 years of offroading the Troopy, we have never been towed or winched with these tyre pressures. Also we have done less damage to tracks that those with lower pressures as we use a softly softly approach than the ones that are rip s**t and bust and usually have their tyre pressures lowered.

Admittedly we do not do the extreme types of work where we need every bit of traction which is what most people are after. We also found that there was not much difference in comfort in the Troopy with lower tyre pressures when we did lower them.

As for beach driving, we live on Bribie Is and are on the beach every couple of weeks and have no problems at all.

We have friends in NZ who are 4wd trainers and run a training company and they never let their tyres down. They know what they are doing, they wrote the training standards for the NZ government for 4wd's.

At the end of the day, if we need to lower the pressures becuase we need extra traction, we will do it (and we carry a compressor for that day that has not happened yet).

Stevesub

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Follow Up By: ImEasy - Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 10:38

Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 10:38
I think you would do more damage not letting pressure out of your tyres, because you would be just loosing traction more, also you wouldnt get far heading out to Stokton Beach through Lavis Lane without letting you tyres down to at least 18-15 psi or even less, have seen many dig them selves in, like sticking a knife edge into butter rather than a spoon (WTF)

bleep , I need a coffee.
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Follow Up By: oldbaz - Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 12:04

Friday, Aug 18, 2006 at 12:04
Hi, thanks for your input. I might add that I have not always been lucky with
tyres. How many of you have stuffed one of those awful round shouldered things they fit to Prados by careless insertion of a 14 ml ring/open ended spanner
whilst cruising quietly down the Birdsville Track. If you left that spanner on the road,please admit it, as I'm nearly over it now.

Regards..Baz
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