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Towing in 5th gear

Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 11:04

pheonix

Morning all,

I have just picked up my jayco eagle outback and will be towing it with a manual turbo diesel prado. My question is this am I supposed to tow in 5th or 4th. I know alot of people say don't tow in 5th but the car seems over rev when in 4th. Not to say anything about the fuel consumption.

After suggestions from people.

Cheers

pheonix
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AnswerID: 192299   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 11:38

Hairy replied:

Use whatever gear suits your speed/ revs and power needed.
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FollowupID: 450167   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 13:45

bob&loz posted:

Exactly
Use what ever feels right. It obviously cant be hurting any thing cruising down hill. A good guide is how much throttle response you have. If you put your foot down a little more and you don't feel any noticeable acceleration you are probably in too high a gear
Bob
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AnswerID: 192300   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 11:43

Trekkie (Member - WA) replied:

Phoenix There are previous posts to questions like this - I do tow in 5th (Overdrive) but try to be careful if uphill, flick OD off. There have been various responses. There doen not seem to be any right or wrong. Check your vehicle manual and ask the dealer if you are still under warranty
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AnswerID: 192308   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 12:39

Member - Roachie (SA) replied:

Yeh, I've been sent on the guilt trip by ppl stating emphatically that you MUST NEVER tow in 5th gear. Tried for a while to just stay in 4th and the big Patrol donk (which is happiest at around 2200 rpm) was screaming it's tytts off at about 2600 revs @ 110kph or so.

In the end I've compromised. Drive it in 5th for the most part, but be willing to change back a cog as soon as I get near a hill etc (even though the lazy 4.2 can lug up a lot of hills in 5th etc).

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FollowupID: 450257   Submitted: Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 06:29

Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses posted:

Eminently sensible Roachie. I hadn't been towing much at all until I towed the tandem with the Suze in it. Happy at 5th gear it was, but for rises torque was valuable in the lower gears. Just what the situation demands.
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AnswerID: 192311   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 13:11

Member - Robyn J (QLD) replied:

After stripping 5th gear on a GU Patrol on trip home from WA towing the camper and doing all the right things dropping to 4th when approching hills etc etc, we know leave in in 4th when towing.
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FollowupID: 450168   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 13:46

Member - Roachie (SA) posted:

G'day Robyn,

Not sure whether you're aware or not, but there was a batch of GU's around 1999/2000 which all suffered from a dud spline/5th gear set-up.

It doesn't surprise me that you stripped 5th gear, but I don't believe it had anything to do with towing.

Of course, I'm not gunna sit here a criticise you for not using 5th when towing (none of my flammin' business), but just so long as you know of the issue that virtually all of the early GU's had in that regard.

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FollowupID: 450206   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 19:19

Member - Glenn D (NSW) posted:

Sadly mine was included , but it waited till I was at the furthest possible place from home to let go .

My vehicle had only towed my crappy little box trailer to the tip a few times.

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FollowupID: 450278   Submitted: Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 09:38

Beastie posted:



i have stripped a gear in a datsun towing a trailer years ago, so took note when I purchased a new hilux that the manual stated not to tow in fifth. How old is your car and are there warranty issues? Otherwise, if the trailer is light, the let it roll / then change down comments sound pretty fair
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FollowupID: 450351   Submitted: Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 16:15

Member - Glenn D (NSW) posted:

I got charged for labour but not parts at a Perth dealer , then got a full refund from Nissan Australia , to their credit , after writing a letter when we got home.

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AnswerID: 192322   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 14:16

Notso replied:

Hmmm,

The RAC in WA gave me a bit of advice 5 years ago and said that the manuals with an overdrive 5th were at risk if you tow in 5th.

The main reason is in the design of the box with the overdrive being an add on rather than having all the gears on the cluster gear.

Anyhow I know a lot of blokes who have towed in 5th and had no problems and I know a lot who have so take your pick.
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AnswerID: 192328   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 16:03

Motherhen replied:

Although I am one of the "don't do it" brigade, it may be OK if your Jayco is very light. We don't tow heavy loads in 5th (manual) or OD on (auto), unless it is a very light trailer - then it's really not much different to driving without a trailer. What weight is your eagle?

Despite these precautions, we have done in the gears when away from home on a cruiser; it is not much fun!

Generally we don't take the risk.
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FollowupID: 450395   Submitted: Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 20:37

Member - Boo Boo (NSW) posted:

I agree with you motherhen. We have a 1995 troopy with a 2t van, mostly in 4th and always in 5th down hill, or if we have a really good tail wind.

I think the jayco is much lighter than 2t and will tow in 5th a little more often than us.

I tow in 4th at 90kph on 2400 rpm and the troopy and I are very happy with that.

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AnswerID: 192337   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 16:30

warrioroz replied:

Being a diesel fitter and having rebuilt a few gearbox's, it is in my opinion that towing in 5th gear or overdrive to be more correct does not cause a problem as long as it is on decent roads but you should never use it on corrugated roads towing or otherwise. The main problem I have found is the failure of the small needle roller between the input shaft and main shaft, when in fourth gear which is usually direct drive this bearing is not rotating and under no real load but when in over drive this bearing is spinning fairly fast and and when on corrugated roads is under a lot of shock loading causing its failure.
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AnswerID: 192360   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 18:51

Member - Duncs replied:

I have been towing a camper trailer in 5th gear for 10 years now, two different cars GQ 385k on the clock and never a gear box pob. The GU is still pretty new but it seems happy.

Both cars have towed extensively on all types of road, and no road at all

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FollowupID: 450242   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 22:30

Off-track posted:

This just means that you are increasing the chances of failure.
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AnswerID: 192446   Submitted: Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 09:57

Old Scalyback & denny replied:

goodday all
goodday duncs how are was nice to put a face to the name while in broken hill

i tow a trailer every day with about 750kg and a van on most holidays and i can tell you 5th gear is my best friend because if i towed in 4th all the time i would be broke because of fuel costs
my 4.2 has now done 125000ks its serviced every 5000ks give or take a grand

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AnswerID: 192528   Submitted: Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 19:31

Wizard2 replied:

There should be a list of topics that you can click on to get ALL the previous posts so that we don't keep seeing the same questions

Towing in 5th gear
Which 4WD should I buy
Engel V Waeco
Diesel V petrol

Isn't there a prompt when you go to initiate a post to search for old ones?
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AnswerID: 192537   Submitted: Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 20:32

Off-track replied:

Depending on the type of vehicle and the mass of the load being pulled it can often be more economical to tow in 4th anyway. Give it a try.
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AnswerID: 194862   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 16, 2006 at 21:17

honestjohn replied:

we have towed caravans for about 7 years 1viscount seabreeze 16ft aprox 1300kgs 1our present van a17ft viscount sportz about 1.7tonnes with a gq patrol fitted with a turbo in 5th gear i have found if u change down 2 4th in headwinds & going up hills no problems get about 5.8 k'per litre at 90-95k's
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