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Is my Redarc knackered?

Submitted: Monday, Oct 02, 2006 at 21:37

Jimbo

Whilst away for the last ten days my Redarc Solenoid seemed to start misbehaving.

Its normal style is to to go "clunk" about ten seconds after starting the engine and then feeding power to the aux batt. It was still going clunk, and the little red light on it came on.

However, being the way I am, I always have a multi meter attached to the aux batt to monitor it. After the "clunk" the multi usually shows 13 to 14 volts. But it was only showing the standing voltage of the aux, anywhere from 12.1 to 12.4 depending on the time of day and charging routine.

Remembering how my Old Man had a problem with a starter motor solenoid on his EH many years ago; he would give it a tap with a hammer, gave me inspiration.

I simply gave the Redarc a solid tap with a tent peg and immediately the aux batt was showing 13+ volts.

Is it "Wellington Booted"?

Jim.
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AnswerID: 197526   Submitted: Monday, Oct 02, 2006 at 21:47

Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators replied:

Your Redarc has burn't contacts.

The Redarc is good for around 50 000 cycles.

2 to 3 years.

May be time to replace it.

Regards Derek.
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FollowupID: 456021   Submitted: Monday, Oct 02, 2006 at 22:00

Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators posted:

Good thinking to use a plastic tent peg to prevent sparks... LOL :-)
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FollowupID: 456026   Submitted: Monday, Oct 02, 2006 at 22:07

Jimbo posted:

Thanks Derek,

It's 2 years and 4 months old. I'd sort have hoped for better. This would appear to be the average life?

Is there a better option to replace it with?

Regards,

Jim Best.
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FollowupID: 456067   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 at 07:08

Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators posted:

We do a 200 amp ABR unit. Which runs heavy contacts. Bi-200
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FollowupID: 456070   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 at 07:41

Stiphodon posted:

Wow, Redarc's only last about 2yrs? I was just thinking of purchasing one too as I've heard good reviews. But, this seems like terrible value if it only works for a few years!

I will definitely look somewhere else
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FollowupID: 456071   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 at 07:49

Mad Dog - Vic posted:

50,000 cycles is very low even for a cheapo relay, would have though the Redarc was of a better quality than this.




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FollowupID: 456081   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 at 09:20

Leroy posted:

50,000 cycles is more that a few years usuage. I find mine clicks (or in Jimbo's words clunks) not long after you start your engine (maybe longer as the starter batt has to charge) and stays on until you turn the car off. Now lets say you start your car 10 times a day, that's 3500 cycles roughly/year which equates to 14 years of use. Seems pretty good to me. But someone please enlighten me if my theory isn't sound.

Leroy
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FollowupID: 456304   Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 10:12

LastAussieWorker posted:

Furphy Derek ABR should change his handle
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FollowupID: 456369   Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 17:09

Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators posted:

50 000 Cycles.

Your Redarc will cycle in and out while you drive and depending on alternator output and load on the cranking battery at the time will determine how many times the unit will cycle in one trip. Stop start driving in the rain with lights on will cause the Redarc to cycle very often.

I take 2 to 3 years life as an extreme situation and most will last 10 years or so.

Many of my customers have moved a Redarc from their old 4wd and fitted it to their new 4wd.

If your Redarc fails there is a reason. Check for these reasons before replacing the unit to make sure it won't happen again.

Redarc is on the ball with their warranties and help line. Speak to Paul if needed and he will help you with any queries.

We are proud to promote Redarc isolators and stock the popular range of Redarc isolators and if you are in Brisbane and need a quick test just phone for an appointment.

Regards Derek.

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AnswerID: 197565   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 at 07:50

Member - MrBitchi (QLD) replied:

Give Redarc a call and ask them if it's normal life expectancy. Mines 3 yrs old and still going strong...

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AnswerID: 197566   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 at 07:53

Moggs replied:

Hi Jimbo,

Had a similar problem with my Redarc after I moved it from the Pathfinder to the Patrol. In the end it was an issue with the earth cable at the rear - bolt was loose. Scraped some more paint away, tightened it up and now works fine. Worth checking the earth in the cargo area (If Batteryworld set yours up the same as mine).

Hope all is well, long time no speak - hope to see you and Jenny sometime over summer.

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AnswerID: 197575   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 at 08:27

Willem replied:

Jimbo

My Rotronics died after two years. Maybe these devices are all of the same ilk.

I now have a normal bush solenoid with an inboard dash switch. It works just as well.

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AnswerID: 197577   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 at 08:29

Mad Dog - Vic replied:

If you cant resolve the issue I suggest you contact Redarc even though the unit is 4 months out of warranty. Something is abnormal there and I'm sure they'd be happy to hear about it at least.




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FollowupID: 456089   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:30

Jimbo posted:

Good advice Ray,

I spoke to Paul Savage at Redarc. He said it sounds like something mechanically wrong. No problem that it is 4 months out of warranty, they'll either fix it or replace it.

When I told him I was going away for the weekend he said send it express post and they'd have it back to me by Friday.

ATB,

Jim.
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FollowupID: 456090   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:39

Time posted:

Yep, always talk to Redarc direct. They are one of the best companies I have ever dealt with. Quick responses, knowledable, always willing to help even when the questions seem a bit lame, and as mentioned above prepared to back their products even if they are out of warranty. .........and no I have no affiliation with them.
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FollowupID: 456096   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 at 11:22

Mad Dog - Vic posted:

Redarc are the benchmark, others strive to provide such good service.

Thanks for the feedback Jim I thought they'd come through for you.




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AnswerID: 197603   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 at 11:16

Member - 'Lucy' replied:



Good onya Jimbo

If you would stop playing with your tool/s (couldn't be that silly playing with one) they would last forever.

Thinkl I might have to give that Redarc dude a call and tell him the real situation.

(1) Jimbo check every day - switch on and off just to hear the 'clunk'

(2) Then test the voltage.

By The way - how many multi meters do you go through a year.

(3) Turning it off and on rapidly many times to see if one can play a 'clunking'
tune such as 'Toolangi blues' or the 'Jerrycan Owner'. Something racy and snappy.

This by the way can and does exceed the allowed 50,000 on/offs guaranteed by Redarc.

(4) Having a drag on those 'extra special' cigarettes and then staring at the 'little red light' thingy to attain a higher plain of awareness

(5) Flogging, belting and/or bashing it with anything available to show it who is boss when that sought after 'little red light' doesn't come on.

Yep can see that warranty being 'discussed' right now.

Maybe they will send you six for all the time you spend R&D-ing it for them.

Till next beer and pizza night

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FollowupID: 456097   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 at 11:23

Mad Dog - Vic posted:

eh!




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FollowupID: 456098   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 at 11:31

Leroy posted:

it's the medication Ray, he hasn't been the same since (going by other recent posts)! lol

Leroy
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FollowupID: 456100   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 at 11:35

Jimbo posted:

Nothing to do with medication.

The poor old bastard is going mad/senile.

It's all been down hill for him since he turned 80.
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FollowupID: 456110   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 at 12:44

Mad Dog - Vic posted:

LMAO, whatever it is it needs fixing..lol




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AnswerID: 197667   Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 03, 2006 at 19:47

Member - Garth J (NSW) replied:

Well I just installed mine on Saturday.
Only 49,970 cycles to go!!!

But seriously the voltage thing in regard to earthing might be a problem.

All solenoid devices require a higher current to allow the coil to pickup the armature than what is required to retain it so if you have a bad earth connection and hence maybe a lower voltage differential this will produce a lower current and thus less magnetic flux (field) to pick the solenoid up.

This is based on the fact that the resistance of the coil is a constant because we are talking about dc as opposed to ac.

Regards
Garth

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FollowupID: 456308   Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 10:19

Mike Harding posted:

But it went "clunk"?
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AnswerID: 197817   Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 17:10

Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators replied:

Just to clarify a few items in this thread.

50 000 Cycles.

Your Redarc will cycle in and out while you drive and depending on alternator output and load on the cranking battery at the time will determine how many times the unit will cycle in one trip. Stop start driving in the rain with lights on will cause the Redarc to cycle very often.

I take 2 to 3 years life as an extreme situation and most will last 10 years or so.

Many of my customers have moved a Redarc from their old 4wd and fitted it to their new 4wd.

If your Redarc fails there is a reason. Check for these reasons before replacing the unit to make sure it won't happen again.

Redarc is on the ball with their warranties and help line. Speak to Paul if needed and he will help you with any queries.

We are proud to promote Redarc isolators and stock the popular range of Redarc isolators and if you are in Brisbane and need a quick test just let me know and call for an appointment.

Regards Derek.

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FollowupID: 456396   Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 04, 2006 at 18:34

Mike Harding posted:

Get a phone call did we? :)
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FollowupID: 456450   Submitted: Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 00:00

Member - Captain (WA) posted:

Hi Derek,

Are you sure about the Redarc cycling with stop/start driving in rain with lights (high power draw with low alternator output)? For this to occur, voltage would have to drop <12.7V and this would be unlikley to happen even with wipers and headlights on at idle. I have a Redarc and this has never happened (I have fitted an indicator light in the dash so I know if its cycling).

While this could conceivably happen if the alternator was on the way out, or the electrical load was significantly greater due to multiple spotties on, it would have to be a very rare occurnece and not typical.

In my experince the redarc closes about 10 seconds after starting and stays that way, even when my aux battery was stuffed and my starter battery almost 3 years old.

Cheers

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FollowupID: 456456   Submitted: Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 06:30

Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators posted:

Hi Captain,

Yes very sure.

Fitted a dual batery kit and a set of Lightforce 240 Blitz on Tuesday.

While setting the focus of the lights at idle the Redarc was working very hard indeed.
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