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Battery for camper trailer

Submitted: Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 10:42

Member - Don (QLD)

We have purchased a jayco swan oputback camper trailer and wanting to know what size deep cycle battery people have been using for this type of camper.Use will be just for back up when we do not go to a powered site and just rough prices if anyone has bought a similar battery recently.
thanks
Don

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AnswerID: 202507   Submitted: Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 10:53

Member - Roachie (SA) replied:

G'day Don,

That's a bit like those "how long is a piece of string" questions.............hahaha

It all depends on what you would be expecting the battery to "run" and for how long. If it's only a couple of flouro lights and a water pump etc, then a good idea is to use a starter-type battery, compatible with your vehicle. That way, you have a back up if your vehicle battery dies, you can swap them over.

If you're gunna be running a compressor-type fridge (please don't try to run a 3way fridge off a battery for more than about 5 minutes!!!!) and a TV/VCR and an inverter for the wife's hair-dryer etc etc, then you're gunna be needing something a little better; like a pair of AGM's etc.

Whatever you do decide you need, my advice would be to have an on-board 240v charger which would come on automatically when you plug into a power source as well as wiring the battery up to your vehicle so it's being charged as you drive along.

Good luck

Roachie

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AnswerID: 202511   Submitted: Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 11:06

guy007 replied:

For a really good run down on what you might need check out the technical advice at:
www.fridge-and-solar.net
Should have all your answers etc
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AnswerID: 202513   Submitted: Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 11:22

Member- Rox (WA) replied:

I used a power crank 100w Deep cycle battery & got 1 year out of it b4 I sold it with out any problems. It cost around $120 compared to $270 for better brands & I figured that I could buy 2 for that price. I ran a 40lt engle & 3 - 12v fluro lights aprox 40-50 amps per day. Recharge via Anderson plug & a battery charger.
Hope this info helps. Rox
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AnswerID: 202526   Submitted: Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 12:08

Anthony replied:

We had the Jayco dealer install “the battery option” for about $400 when we bought a Dove OB in 2003. I knew very little about batteries and charging options then … and still learning. The Jayco battery option was to only run the 12V lights when bush camping, which we got about 4 days before needing to recharge.

The battery is a 40AmpHr seal lead acid battery and still going strong (from Taiwan – the band CS ??? – I think) was supplied with a plastic battery box and was mounted in a cupboard under one of the seats. It was connected to the onboard power supply via a standard 10amp house-type light switch to isolate the battery if/when required.

The on board Jayco power supply (Setec type used in the more recent models) is able to provide 12V power to the camper and charge a sealed lead acid or AGM type battery (quoting the Setec manual go to www.setec.com.au/pages/st20-II.html for more info).

I have recently moved the battery box to the A-frame, added a second 100AmpHr battery (not connected together), upgraded to 8 gauge wire between the battery and power supply/charger ($2.50/metre at Jaycar) and replaced the std light switch setup with 30Amp 12V switches (about $4.50 each).
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FollowupID: 462056   Submitted: Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 13:02

Member - Don (QLD) posted:

Anthony
What is the size of the setec inverter.it doesn't say in the brochure.

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FollowupID: 462067   Submitted: Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 13:23

Anthony posted:

Hi Don,

I believe the Jayco camper trailers (Dove, Swan so on etc) have the Setec ST20-II model power supply. This model power supply provides a max of 5amp on the battery charge circuit and a max of 20amp (12Volts) to the camper trailer.

I think the ST35-II is installed in the Jayco Expander and/or larger vans.

The following is an extract from the ST20-II manual ... which you can download from the links provided above.

Setec ST20-II & ST35-II model power supply / chargers
AC/DC Power Supply: This provides an isolated 13.65Vdc output for powering of the load and float charging of the battery. Battery current is sensed and monitored by the power supply to ensure that the maximum charging current is not exceeded.
Battery Features: The power supply provides full battery management as per the following.
The power supply is a four stage battery charger with Boost (VBoost = 14.05V), Float (VFloat = 13.65V), Store (VStore = 13.25V) and Trickle charge modes to ensure long battery life.
Charging current is limited to a maximum of 5A (ST20-II) and 10A (ST35-II). This provides optimum life for the batteries.

Cheers Anthony
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FollowupID: 462078   Submitted: Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 13:53

wazzaaaa posted:

Hi Anthony I also had a battery box on the draw bar of a jayco swan I used to own, when I got a gas cert. to sell it the guy made me remove the batterys other wise he wouldn't pass it. Something to do with being too close to the gas bottles.
Wazza
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FollowupID: 462085   Submitted: Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 14:07

Anthony posted:

I plan on keeping the Dove OB for a few more years , so I guess not a problem for now.

I will have to have a closer look at where other trailer manufacturers position the battery to the gas bottle. - cheers A
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AnswerID: 202527   Submitted: Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 12:08

Grizzle replied:

We have a Jayco Swan Outback and have 2 x 100 A/H Batteries in it. If you are using for lights only, one should be ok. We sometimes run our Waeco off for a day thats why we put 2 in.

I paid about $170 each for mine. If your Swan is new and has the Setec Convertor in it you should be OK for charging. I bought mine just before they changed and have had to wire in a "Charge and Maintain" battery charger.

Good luck

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FollowupID: 462053   Submitted: Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 12:54

Member - Don (QLD) posted:

Mine is the new one, i will get it in about 6 weeks so i am trying to do a little research on this so i can have it sorted for when we get it.Is it true that the batteries charge through the setec and also through your trailer plug.but i will be putting an anderson plug with larger cable to charge it.

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FollowupID: 462064   Submitted: Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 13:14

Grizzle posted:

Batteries charge through the Setec when you are plugged into 240V. Through your trailer plug when you are driving. I fitted an anderson plug to my car and it works heaps better than the trailer plug. Make sure you run the negative all the way back to the battery in your car. This stops the current having to struggle through the body and chassis.
I also added a "Fridge Switch" to the van. This is a motion detecting switch that puts power to the van fridge when you are moving and switches power off the fridge when you are stationary. you should be able to buy it from any RV place. Approx $50.00 and real easy to fit.

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FollowupID: 462071   Submitted: Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 13:38

Anthony posted:

Don,

Grizzle is correct, the Setec will start charging the battery when you plug into 240, as long as (sorry for stating what you may consider as being obvious) whoever installs the battery connects it up to the Sectec. The same for the charging the camper battery via the trailer plug or an Anderson plug.

Mine is wired so the the 4wd provides 12V to run the fridge only (via the trailer plug, which needs to be wired as per Grizzle suggests, with an Anderson plug etc) while driving but the 4wd does not charge the battery. I charge the trailer battery using a solar panel when camping.

Cheers Anthony
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FollowupID: 462080   Submitted: Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 13:57

Member - Don (QLD) posted:

Can you leave the connection to the setec from the battery and have the battery also charging from the anderson plug at the same time.will it damage the inverter
Thanks

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FollowupID: 462082   Submitted: Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 14:02

Grizzle posted:

Yes you can leave it. It is a "Set and Forget" setup. Basically all the convertor does is drop 240 V to 12 V. The van runs solely off 12 V (Apart from fridge) Fridge only runs 12V when connected to car, it runs 240V when connected to mains.

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FollowupID: 462083   Submitted: Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 14:04

Anthony posted:

Yes, I think it sould be ok to have the wiring connected to both ... as long as you don't plug the camper into the 240V while its still connected to the 4wd via the anderson plug with the engine is still running. Just disconnect the Anderson plug before plugging into the 240V and vice a versa.
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FollowupID: 462107   Submitted: Thursday, Nov 02, 2006 at 15:07

Member - Don (QLD) posted:

Great

Thanks for all your help

Don

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