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Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 20:22

The big easy

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Anyone out there had problems with erps electronic rust inhibitor.I have one on my patrol,little red light was on last week(working),checked today lights off!? Any suggestions? ps unit is getting power.
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AnswerID: 213087   Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 20:29

mcgra (VIC) replied:

hi
from memory its when a pad isnt making good contact with the body its connected to.
give them a call i have always found them helpful when user of a cople of things.

gra
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FollowupID: 473503   Submitted: Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 10:57

The big easy posted:

thanks mcgra i'll give them a call.all the other posts must have read it wrong, i did'nt ask if they worked or not.
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FollowupID: 473506   Submitted: Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 11:41

pjd posted:

to much rust behind the pads move them to other rust free areas & they should work fine until the rust reaches them again !
good luck
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AnswerID: 213093   Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 20:44

marq replied:

Why don't you just apply some snake oil underneath and around your vehicle ;)

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I recommend you forget the erps.

Buy yourself some lanotec and spray/apply it everywhere possible - and reapply every two years (odd)

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AnswerID: 213094   Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 20:44

luch replied:

Do these things actully work ? How do they work ?

Never had, seen or known anyone to use one !
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AnswerID: 213099   Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 20:54

disco1942 replied:

Check out post 40591 - It contains the info you are looking for re do the work.

Have a look at Dr Karl's article at Site Link

PeterD
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AnswerID: 213100   Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 21:07

Member - extfilm (NSW) replied:

No they don't work......
I have already had my Hilux back to repair rust........ Fortuanetly there is 5 years perferation warranty. It is just over 3 years old. I had one fitted before I took delivery of the vehicle.
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AnswerID: 213104   Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 21:17

Member - Jeff H (QLD) replied:

Sorry, have to agree with Ext. Hasn't helped our unit. JH.

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AnswerID: 213113   Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 21:36

Member - Royce replied:

I think that this site is one of the best.... nah the best site for 4wd, and out bush 'how to' things. It has an air of authority about it and quality.. and then the ad below.. for unproven claims and 'snake oil'. I guess the site needs to have advertizing support, but I also wonder what the advetizer thinks when the product is so roundly condemned by experienced people here??
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AnswerID: 213144   Submitted: Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 05:09

dags666 replied:

g day i have a mate who is a pro wormer at teewah he has one fitted and his car is rusted every where except where the unit is fitted,,a piece of crap use other rust preventatives remember cars rust from the inside out not the other way. Dags
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AnswerID: 213164   Submitted: Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 08:25

Mark Taylor replied:

Dr Karls reply is not based on capacative electronic rust proofing. It is based on sacrificial anode rust protection such as boats amd bridges etc.

ERPS is different. Provided that the vehicle has paint in good condition (very important) then they do work. For 4wds used in highly corrosive environments like beaches etc, then up to 6 pads are placed around the vehicle to ensure full protection. If you get a digital multi meter, you can actually measure voltage across the paint on the vehicle. My last vehile had a dealer fitted snake oil unit with only one pad. Absolute rubbish and would probably only protect next to the unit.

Local councils here in QLD have put ERPS units on their beach vehicles with amazing results in preventing or dramatiaclly slowing donw existing rust progress.

No I don't work for them, no I don't have one but I intend fitting one to my new vehicle before my first beach trip mid year.

Cheers

Mark T
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FollowupID: 473471   Submitted: Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:23

Member - Glenn D (NSW) posted:

Hows it going Mark,

Was going to ask you to explain Capacitive rust protection , but I Googled it and got this from the CouplerTec site , isnt this the same as a sacraficial anode type set up exept the box supplies the electrons ?

Basically, rust is the loss of electrons from within the metal. Oxygen combines with the metal atom and forms FE2o3 Ferric Oxide, that?s rust.

Here we explain Capacitive Coupling in Laymen's Terms.

What we are doing is interfering with the oxidization cycle, in other words, tricking nature.

We achieve this by artificially pumping electrons into the vehicle so our supply of electrons exceeds the demand.

This is achieved by creating a capacitor, our pad that is affixed to the paint acts as the positive plate in the capacitor, the paint becomes the dielectric which in turn holds the charge static (keeps the electrons from flowing away) and the body of the vehicle or structure acts as the negative plate in the capacitor.

So what we are left with is a big capacitor;

- 1. The pad is the positive plate
- 2. The paint is the dielectric
- 3. The body is the negative plate

Electrons are built between the positive plate and the negative plate and the paint keeps them there. How Simple!

Glenn.

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AnswerID: 213228   Submitted: Thursday, Jan 04, 2007 at 14:50

Peter replied:

Don't know if they work or not, but then that's my concern. Had it fitted when I bought the car and haven't got any complaints. Stones chips (deep enough to expose bare metal), that were on the car when I bought it still show no signs of rust. I live only 8kms from the beach so there's a bit of salt in the air and any metal objects left in the yard get rust on them (seats, bits of angle iron etc). but nothing on the car.
The unit stopped working once and after contacting the installer he advised me that sometimes after washing the motor some water may cause the sensor to temporarily cease working. It fixed itself the next day and since then hasn't been a problem.
Peter
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