turbopete posted:

Hi Bungendore To get a dog classified as a Companion Dog u need to attend an obedience school for dogs that is ,if u look up your state canine association or local dog clubs they will point u in the right direction, It takes time and patience to train the dog,the dog clubs dont give C/D certificates out with the corn flakes

turbopete posted:

ACT Companion Dog Club website. ... site map » · sponsors », © A.C.T. Companion Dog Club Inc. Canberra, ACT, Australia.
www.actcdc.org.au/listlinks.asp?cat=ADC - 13k

there is a club in canberra u can contact,i got this offa google,just enterted canberra dog club

Member - Davoe (Nullagine) posted:

Dogs are kept out of nat parks as much for their own safety as anything else. Most/all nat parks/nature reserves in WA are baited

turbopete posted:

Davoe Hi .uncontrolled dogs eat baits ... controlled dogs dont.....There is no way my dog would take food from u or anyone else

Kevern posted:

Good on you, well said. About time someone said it. I for one am sick of seeing snot nosed brats of kids running around screaming and yelling and coursing all sorts of trouble when I can't take my dog who is well trained and behaved and never out of my sight when in the bush. If it where up to me I would have children band from National Parks.

Member - Doug T (W.A) posted:

turbopete
The main problem is they're Paranoid about all dogs , Over the years I have learned what people don't know they don't worry about

The Explorer posted:

"If it where up to me I would have children band from National Parks. "

Cant win - I have a dog and 2 children - looks like Ill have to stay at home - bugger:)

Any plans of banning nagging wives? May as well make it a clean sweep. (just kidding Darling)

Cheers
Greg

Willem posted:

Oi Greg

Was there ever a follow up report of the bogged Landcruiser out there in the never never???

Cheers

The Explorer posted:

Hello William - just posted on the thread in question. Nothing exciting to report...apart form the fact that Pilbara is in bloom after rain.

Cheers
Greg

The Explorer posted:

Sorry Willem - I spelt your name wrong - wish this forum had edit function.

Cheers
Greg

Member - Steve T (NT) posted:

People that take guide or companion dogs into N.Ps must obtain a permit, there for they must obey the strict rules that apply.

Any body else that take dogs into N.Ps are irresponsible more many reasons, most of which have been posted on thread 43876.

Steve.

Hairy posted:

Gday Sam,
I dont so much these days as my new dog has a tendencie to attack things but I used to take my healer everywhere.
Major tourist parks I wouldnt take a dog but out in the middle of no-where I cant see aproblem with it. (As long as your dog is controlled and out of sight.)
Cheers

Mike Harding posted:

So... "Companion dogs/Guide Dogs" are OK in an NP - other dogs (wild ones excepted) are not.

I'm having a problem with the logic here... unless the argument is simply that one should obey the letter of The Rules?

Mike Harding

Member - Davoe (Nullagine) posted:

Its kinda like this......
yea yea yea we know your dog is the best behaved thing and never does this that or the other ---- But what about the rest???
Its just like saying why cant i ride my 4 wheeler in a national park down the beach/ Im responsable.
Well you just have to compare the difference between camping at the Duke of orleans caravan park to camping at thomas river to see why.... Its coz the vast majority are idiotic idiots with no respect for anything else.
If you could take dogs into NPs the rangers would be powerless to stop every flanolette wearing wife beater taking his 3 massive rottys in and laugh while they chase the roos around and bail up your missus when she gos to the dunny. And keep you up all nighrt barking./fighting and going through your stuff
bit extreme i know but the fact is most dog owners are obvlivios/dont care how much of a hassel their dogs are to others

Mike Harding posted:

So... Davoe... what do you do when you're on planet earth?

Member - Davoe (Nullagine) posted:

I went to potters gorge last time i was on Earth. its the first time i have camped in a spot that allowed dogs and i knew that coz i could hear them constantly fighting

Member - Steve T (NT) posted:

Hey Mike

I am well prepared for this question.

In the original thread it seemed the people had made up their mind to take the dog into a N.P, but were worried about being caught.

So with that in mind, I thought it would be better to advise these people that they could obtain a permit.

This would bind these people to act responsibly with their dog, provided they were responsible people.

I as you know am passionate about no dogs in a N.P, The powers that be allow guide and companion dogs N.Ps, as I stated under strict permit conditions.

I have never seen a guide dog in a N.P and have seen very few companion dogs.

Its not double standards on my behalf it educating people to be responsible.

Cheers Steve.

Mike Harding posted:

Hi Steve

>Its not double standards on my behalf it educating
>people to be responsible.

I could not agree more.

Steve: we all understand the ethos behind the banning of domestic animals (not just dogs) from NPs and I'm sure we all agree with that ethos... BUT... herein lies the detail: a controlled dog in an NP is most unlikely to cause any issues - after all it's perfectly permissible to take them into State Forests (in Vic at least) and native animals have no knowledge of the boundaries between State Forests and National Parks - and we have a lot of those in Vic.

The issue is not dogs but people. And that is _exactly_ where your statement, above, comes into play. W@nkers will always be w@ankers whether they have a dog or not and there is nothing one can do to change that (this side of a shotgun :) Your recent statements regarding the mere presence of a dog in an NP being a significant threat to natives are not correct. What is an issue is people who allow dogs to run wild - simple as that.

Mike Harding

turbopete posted:

A permit system will succeed if the dog has a companion certificate or better.. there are many grades of certificates

as to the owner/handler ....generally if the dog is well disciplined so also (probably) is the handler. we take great pride in our dogs and ensure our dogs are well behaved

Hairy posted:

Has anyone been to Mititjulu recently?
Last time I was there there were more starving camp dogs than there were people!
The larger dogs were eating puppies!
Now thats double standards.
Cheers

Mike Harding posted:

They'll operate as nature intended - simple as that.

Member - Steve T (NT) posted:

turbopete

I have always been of the opinion that dog handling/training schools are more for the owner.

We wonder today why kids don't respect any thing, well perhaps it starts with them seeing their elders disrespecting the law, simply because it doesn't suit them.

So you are happy to see people break the laws of a N.P and by taking their dogs, in doing so you would be happy to see them teach their kids its ok to break the law.

I bet you wouldn't be happy, when one of these kids come to your place and take your pride and joy, or robs your house.

Make sure its all locked up tonight Steve.

Mike Harding posted:

Hi Steve

So the whole thing is about "The Letter Of The Law" rather than dogs in NPs.
Thats fair enough but don't try and create a moral confusion between the two.

Mike Harding

Member - Steve T (NT) posted:

I don't believe dogs should be allowed into N.Ps for a # of reasons posted in 3 different threads this week.

I also believe in the laws that stop dogs being allowed into N.Ps.

So there is no moral confusion there.

You have challenged my way of thinking but you haven't given me a reason as to why I am wrong.

The challenge to you Mike is, Give me a reason as to why you believe the Environmental Protection and Bio-Diversity act is wrong, and why you believe dogs should be allowed into a N.P.

Cheers Steve.

Mike Harding posted:

Hi Steve

Dogs _are_ permitted into National Parks - see the points above and also the legislation in Victoria in regards to hunting dogs in the Alpine National Park.

So the challenge to you Steve is to show why controlled dogs should not be permitted in other National Parks?

Mike Harding

Willem posted:

And what about Indigenous Dog Owners in National Parks with their miriad of underfed and mangy dogs hanging about. Kakadu used to be like that way back. Maybe not so any more?

Go to Parngurr in Rudall River NP. One bloke has 33 dogs in various stages of decay, but still alive.

I think that a permit system for National Parks should apply to people who wish to take their dog with them on their travels. Dogs are man's best friend and have been domesticated for thousands of years. It is only fair that they should be able to travel with them and not be restricted from entering certain areas.

The rest of the arguments don't wash with me. If dogs are controlled properly by their owners there should not be an issue.

If only we could stop people from littering...................................

Member - Steve T (NT) posted:

Mike please read the following

Your search - legistation in victoria in regards to hunting dogs in Alpine national park - did not match any documents.

So I googled this.

hunting dogs in Alpine national Park.

I found this.

Alpine National Park
The Alpine National Park has the greatest range of flora and fauna of any national park in ... Dogs and other pets, and firearms, are not permitted. ...
Site Link - 20k - Cached - Similar pages

So I looked on the site and found this.

Leave dogs, cats and other pets, and firearms, at home.

Apart from guide dogs, national parks around Australia with few exceptions do not admit dogs, cats and other pets. This is mainly to protect native wildlife. Dogs and cats are not native animals. If they escape in a national park they prey on native animals and birds. Feral (ownerless) cats and dogs cause havoc as it is. Even the scent and sounds of dogs and cats are enough to scare off native wildlife. In addition domestic animals may spread diseases to native ones, and vice versa.

As well, many people do not like the disturbance, danger and droppings associated with dogs.

There are parks where dogs are permitted, generally on leads and under control. These are parks other than national and state parks - regional, metropolitan and reservoir parks. Many local councils are also working with residents to identify areas where dogs may be taken, both on and off leash.

The reason for the ban on firearms in parks is obvious, but it should be noted that there are a few areas in national parks - such as in Alpine and Lake Eildon - where deer hunting with guns, under strict conditions, is permitted.

Thank you Willem google was my friend

Steve.

Shaker posted:

Willem .... you took the words right outof my mouth regarding the indigenous population.

Until we have uniform laws for all AUSTRALIANS, I will take my dog whenever & wherever I wish.

I wonder how many of the indigenous Australian's dogs have been vaccinated, wormed or treated for fleas & other parasites????

Mike Harding posted:

Hi Steve

You are correct, I was wrong, hunting dogs are not permitted in the Alpine National Park although firearms are. I had confused the Alpine NP with the Howqua Hills Historic Area which borders the Alpine NP and dogs are permitted in there.

However a brief Google does show a few NPs where dogs are permitted and (not included in the links) also the Jerusalem Creek Camping Area of the Lake Eildon NP permits them. So my point still stands in that dogs are permitted into NPs.

http://www.nt.gov.au/nreta/parks/aboutus/pdf/4_2_pets_in_parks_policy.pdf

Site Link

Mike Harding

Shaker posted:

....... and we don't scare them with noisy diesels, loud music, generators, kids screaming & yelling, mini bikes etc etc etc. ??

Member - Davoe (Nullagine) posted:

mini bikes arnt allowed in national parks. And your point about generators and kids screaming just proves the point. If SOME people cant control themselves having an uncontrolled dog is gonna make it a whole lot worse.

Most popular campsites have resident natives (who hang around for a feed - thats another story) who arnt scared off coz they know slow old humans dont pose a threat. A fast paced barking beast with a mouth full of teeth that hasnt lost the hunting instinct is another story

Mike Harding posted:

One of my pet hates is people feeding native animals around campgrounds.

DO NOT leave food waste around campsites - you bury your toilet waste so bury, burn or remove your food waste. I always dig a sump near the "kitchen" where washing-up water and the rinse of saucepans etc goes. Feeding native animals is bad for them - they don't need it, they know how to survive in the bush a damn site better than we do!

To be realistic: it doesn't matter (in an ecological sense) what happens to semi domesticated native animals anyway as they are no longer part of their "pack" and will teach their offspring wrong habits - note the roos at Tom Groggin!

Mike Harding

Member - Davoe (Nullagine) posted:

we currently have problems with dingos Where i work. They roam through the camp and steal crib bags, chew shoes etc etc. Some people have been feeding them especially after barbies. they are about to get reeely tough on it (education phase is over) but a cull will also happen. Apparently you have to know what you are doing
-if you kill the dominant pair of the pack indiscriminate breeding amongs subordinates will occur inceasing numbers
- If you blow them all away then Cat numbers increase