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Had a look at the new 70 series

Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 03, 2007 at 15:27

DavidT

I just had a look at the new 70 series 4 door from a distance not bad from a distance, do these have a front drivers air bag why did they not put the 180 litre tank in it plenty of room and the front seats do not look comfertable and why not put an option in for a fold up rear bench seat so it could then be advertised as a 7 seater.

Great looking motor but not much thought has gone into this vehicle, what market are they trying to tap into with the 4 door versions.

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Dave T
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AnswerID: 231444   Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 03, 2007 at 15:41

Dustin replied:

I think the 4 door version is to attract folks that don't like IFS and want a rigid front axle but also want more power than a 1Hz motor. I think its supposed to be a tough 4x4 to compliment the new 200 series that is soon to be launched. The new 200 series may be a little too like a soft roader for some.
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AnswerID: 231445   Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 03, 2007 at 15:46

Member - Phil G (SA) replied:

Hi Dave,
I had a good look at it at the Adelaide Motor show at the weekend.
No airbags (chassis would have to be redesigned).
Didn't put 2 tanks in, because it has a shorter wheelbase than the 78 and 79series, so not as much room between the axles. Looks to me that you could replace the raer with a 180 litre aftermarket tank.
Why not a 7seater? - I don't think its aimed at the people mover market, and those people buy Prados and 100series.
"Great looking motor" :-))) - Yeah - pity the alternator is at the bottom of the motor.

What market - commercial 4wd - people who wanted an old fashioned strong 4wd with a big donk.

I quite like the size and shape of it. It should be very capable.
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FollowupID: 492373   Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 03, 2007 at 15:54

Member - John (Vic) posted:

Phil why does the chassis have to be redesigned to suit air bags?
I thought they were operated via sensors in the bumper??
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FollowupID: 492374   Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 03, 2007 at 16:00

Member - Phil G (SA) posted:

Yep you're right John, but if I can hazard a guess, I think the problem is the rigidity of the old fashioned chassis. I think it needs a crumple zone etc. So they would have to go back and start from scratch. And I guess the dash would need redesigning.

And when you look at the vehicle, they didn't trouble the design team too much :-))
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FollowupID: 492378   Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 03, 2007 at 16:10

Member - John (Vic) posted:

Agreed the dash would possibly need work to accommodate a Passenger bag but if fitted with a drivers only wouldn't that would fit within the steering wheel?

Crush Cans? or some such mod to the front end of the chassis rails only??

Toyota were quoted somewhere quite sometime ago that the 2008 models would have airbags? Have heard nothing concrete on this matter for quite sometime.
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FollowupID: 492386   Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 03, 2007 at 16:30

Member - The Crow (QLD) posted:

Taking one for a test drive on Thursday will let you know how it goes

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FollowupID: 492389   Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 03, 2007 at 16:48

Member - Davoe (Nullagine) posted:

Not sure who there trying to sell it to? for a recreational vehicle it needs coils in the back and a whole heap more refinement - oh hang on that would be the prado
A few might find there way onto the mines but i cant see them being a huge hit coz they dont seat enough people. Might get some business as a replacement for 100 series pov packs but there not overly common any way except as boss vehicles who will still get the 200s.
time will tell.

Surely it would have been more cost effective for them to make a 4 (or at least 3 ) door troopy and give the market something it wants?
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FollowupID: 492406   Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 03, 2007 at 17:48

Crackles posted:

Seems to me they made a big mistake with only a 90 litre tank as those most likely to buy it would be after long range, around Oz retiree's towing a Van, outback tourer's, mining company's, goverment dept's, aboriginal communities etc or anyone needing a strong tow vehicle.
Initially I was going to queue up for one but it's not quite as good a package as I'd hoped for. If they'd only kept it the same wheelbase as the troopy, put in the wider coil sprung 80 series rear axle, 180 litre tanks then chopped the back off to make it a twin cab...........ahh maybe next time.
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FollowupID: 492415   Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 03, 2007 at 18:48

V8Diesel posted:

Crackles, my thoughts exactly. I'll have one of those too! It's not quite the four door troopy it was rumoured to be is it. Looks more like a 1982 Jackaroo with a shrunken wheelbase. I can't understand why they don't offer an auto in a predominantly fleet oriented vehicle either. It would be a far better option and behind a TD it would be a nice drive too.

I'm still booked in for a test drive however. A Toyota factory turboed bent eight oiler is just too good an offer to turn down. As much as the old 6cyl's were reliable, my years of 2H driving put me off Japanese diesel motors and their totally unacceptable performance.
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FollowupID: 492445   Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 03, 2007 at 20:23

Member - Hughesy (NSW) posted:

I dropped into the Toyota dealer here in Broken Hill last Saturday and he threw me the keys to a standard ute (abliet no tray and straight off the ship). WHAT AN ENGINE. I haven't driven any of these new Jeep diesels or anything but it was amazing!!! You can turn into a side street without taking it out of 4th and put your foot down and accelerate faster than I could in 2nd with my 1HZ. Its like driving an auto. The torque at idle is unbelievable. The thing that suprised me was how quiet it was. Not a lot of room under the bonnett anymore though. That intercooler is huge.

I can't imagine what the 200 series will be like with twin turbo!!! The toyota dealer said they are due here Nov 07.

I highly recommend any Toyota or diesel buffs to tak a test drive today.

Now all I have to do is wait 5+ years until they can be got at a reasonable price.....
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FollowupID: 492447   Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 03, 2007 at 20:26

D-Jack posted:

Is it possible, that in my conspiracy theory frame of mind I'm in at the moment, that TJM, ARM, 4wd systems, Longranger. Brown Davis, are benefiting from the reduced fuel capacity???:)
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FollowupID: 492513   Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 03, 2007 at 23:45

wdric posted:

There may be a benifit there but the conspiracy theory! what the.
I don't think the toyota design team put aftermarket accessories very high on the list of thing they must think about. In fact most other markets around the world don't get twin tanks anyway.
I am sure if the market wants a bigger tank for the 4 door 70 series you will see a tank of about the 160 lt mark to replace the rear.
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AnswerID: 231492   Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 03, 2007 at 20:06

Jayson replied:

I had the pleasure of taking a v8 diesel troopie for a test drive yesterday. This was through Newtown Toyota in Welshpool, Perth. I went for a look at Toyota dealerships on Sunday and Newtown were the only one I saw with a new v8 in the lot.
I currently have a 100 series TD manual so my comparison, asfar as transmissions go was apples with apples.
I know Toyota quote the same power and torque figures for the 1hd-fte and the new 1vd-ftv, I would never have put "VD" in an engine name as it sounds like it's got the pox from the outset, but they couldn't have been more dissimilar (sp). You might need one of the first three gears for taking off but you really only need the other two once you're underway. 2300rpm at 110km/h and I reckon a sixth would be handled easy.
We got some serious looks over our 20km trip from troopy and ute owners. Sounded sweeeet when running and never really needed more than 2000rpm throughout the trip. I reckon a big wheel spin, on bitumen, in a troopie would have been fun but it only had 51kms on the clock when we set out. Didn't want to give someones new car a too hard a time for the run in period.
I will be in the market for a 200 series in 18 months or so and can't wait to drive one in late November/ealy December.
Check out the Toyota press room for all the info you need.
Cheers
Jays
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AnswerID: 231515   Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 03, 2007 at 21:00

warthog replied:

Don't think Nissan will be selling too many of the new patrol's when they arrive. If the rumours are correct of a weeny little 4 cyl diesel and IFS then the 70 series will trounce it on road, off road and in the showrooms.
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AnswerID: 231536   Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 03, 2007 at 21:54

Member - extfilm (NSW) replied:

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AnswerID: 231559   Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 03, 2007 at 23:28

Twintrail(W.A.) replied:

Must be city driver. never been in the bush .
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