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Canning Stock Route Centenary

Submitted: Monday, Jul 02, 2007 at 12:14

The Explorer

Just in case anyone is interested.....

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www.canningstockroutecentenary.com/

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Greg
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AnswerID: 250316   Submitted: Monday, Jul 02, 2007 at 15:46

Willem replied:

Yeah, David(EO) told me about this event this morning.

Had a look at the Govt site but is looks a tad behind the 8ball (permits page does not exist...lol). Not doubt things will will happen once activities get into full swing.

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AnswerID: 250320   Submitted: Monday, Jul 02, 2007 at 16:04

kimprado replied:


I was bloody angry when I read this. The Canning Stock Route Reinactment (CSRR) Committee spent almost five years and thousands of dollar of their own money to celebrate Canning's achievements, and not one cent or support came from the Western Australian government.

Elsia Canning and her family are not going to be happy about this. Nor do I expect the descendants of William Snell.

This is also a kick in the teeth for all the station owners, Aboriginal communities, stockmen and other locals in the Kimberley and Pilbura who supported us.

The only way the Centenary can have real meaning is in recognition of:

Canning and Snell
Aboriginal ownership and heritage
A cattle drive from Billiluna to Wiluna

The rest is just crap!

Fair dinkum, I have'nt been this peeved off in a long time

Kim

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AnswerID: 250322   Submitted: Monday, Jul 02, 2007 at 16:05

Alan H (Narangba QLD) replied:

Noticed that Australian Geographic is running a trip along the Canning next year and want $4000 if you want to tag along. (15 vehicles @ 4000 = $60000)

Article in latest Australian Geographic magazine

Beats me why people pay this sort of money (must have plenty of it I guess)

On top of the $4000 you have provide your own vehicle, feed yourself and of course the running costs of your vehicle. It claims to include campsite and permit fees but what else. Someone is making a packet to just lead a crowd.

Not my scene with large numbers of vehicles and paying extra for a trip that is becoming standard for those who do the preparation and planning to ensure safety.
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FollowupID: 511681   Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 16:54

David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along posted:

Seems a reasonable price to me. Firstly the risk of not filling it is great. If they don't fill it they will be lucky if they cover costs. We prefer to take much smaller groups to keep it friendly, but the financial risks to operators is great.

Just leading a crowd is the tiniest portion of what the operator provides in terms of an overall experience- it's be well worth the cost in my view.

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AnswerID: 250336   Submitted: Monday, Jul 02, 2007 at 17:44

kimprado replied:

Further to my earlier post

Here is a copy of an e-mail that I've sent to the Canning family:

Elisia,

I came across this today and to say I was fuming is an understatement www.canningstockroutecentenary.com/

It gives no recognition to your family history or the other participants (can you pass this onto your dad). I'm going through my records at the moment to advise the Snell family and others in the Kimberley.

One day we'll get there and do it properly.

Kim
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FollowupID: 511503   Submitted: Monday, Jul 02, 2007 at 18:01

The Explorer posted:

Hello Kim - dont want to get myself too involved here as I know nothing about the efforts of the Canning Stock Route Reinactment (CSRR) Committee or what happened with WA State Govt, nor do I know much about what Langate are up to with their spin on the centenary except the webpage posted. It does appear that you are mighty p*ssed off though!

Anyway the website does actually have some info on Canning albiet brief.

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Figure at this stage of the game it may be a case of providing some constructive feedback to people at Landgate if you find some aspects of their webpage/planned activities inadequate - though again I have no idea what has transpired between you and WA Govt up to this time, so maybe it is past this point. I did a search on Canning Stock Route Reinactment (CSRR) Committee you mentioned but not much appeared accept a proposed cattle run down CSR - did that ever eventuate?

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FollowupID: 511506   Submitted: Monday, Jul 02, 2007 at 18:26

Andrew from Vivid Adventures posted:

Well given the government inaction and duck-shoving between the various departments including CALM or whatever they are now that they are responsible for Climate Change (at least there's someone to blame), and DIA, and Roads to name a few it is pretty pathetic that they should try to make something out of the Canning at all.

They have provided no support to the establishment of effective management regimes that recognise and support the interests of the traditional owners; they have allowed ineffective and only partly considered regimes of management to be put in place that make the legalities of access to a lot of areas like Calvert Range as clear as mud ...

And then to put up this site which frankly looks quite half-baked ...
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FollowupID: 511523   Submitted: Monday, Jul 02, 2007 at 19:22

The Explorer posted:

By Jingoes By Crikey - maybe I should not have mentioned the subject:)

Hope to get out there this time next year to chase some birds (feathered variety). Hope the dust has settled by then.

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FollowupID: 511527   Submitted: Monday, Jul 02, 2007 at 19:30

kimprado posted:

Greg

I've calmed down a bit, but I can't say the same for a few others I rang this afternoon.

How all this came to pass, was our collective experience in the Outback, and the recognition of the pride held by stockmen in their heritage. This includes black and white.

The idea was to quarantine a mob of donated cattle from the Kimberley at Ruby Plains, put them through a plunge dip, start off from Billiluna and drive them south to Wiluna. This raised a few problems including water, poison weed and cost.

You can't drive cattle without water or feed. One of our members did a complete audit of the wells, and also rebuilt a few that tourist enjoy today.

However we came up short, but eventually found the answer after two years of work. We couldn't have done this without the support of station owners, stockmen and the Aboriginal communities.

Then there where the other matters. Finding stockmen who were willing to go without pay for 3 months, insurance, transportation etc etc. This went on for five years.

The Canning Stock Route is an Australian icon. For some reason the WA Government have difficulty understanding that, or recognising it's true heritage.

Before I close, I want you to understand there were a hell of a lot of people involved in this. Many driving or flying extensive Kms for meetings.

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Kim

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FollowupID: 511838   Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 13:41

The Explorer posted:

Kim - can understand your frustration, cant offer any helpful advice though.
It will be interesting to see what happens (for better or worse?) over next few years.

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Greg
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FollowupID: 511879   Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 04, 2007 at 17:35

kimprado posted:

Thanks Greg

We've all calmed down a bit. If the government had worked with us in a partnership, we could have had a fantastic celebration for all.

Regards

Kim
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