Carbon Monoxide poisoning

Submitted: Saturday, Jul 21, 2007 at 22:50
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We have recently bought a Jayco Hawk camper trailer. We are seeking peoples opinions / experience about the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning in these types of campers from using the gas stove while cooking with the camper locked up (i.e. during winter time). We have a young child and have read they are particularly vulnerable to carbon monoxide poisoning. Are there any special precautions we should take?

Logic tells me that there is thousands of caravans travelling the country with gas stoves and that the risk is low with a bit of ventilation. However, having done a bit of reading on the internet it has raised my awareness of the potential danger.

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Reply By: Shaker - Saturday, Jul 21, 2007 at 23:07

Saturday, Jul 21, 2007 at 23:07
I would think that you probably be fine, as you said many, many caravans have gas stoves, but it may not hurt to have a vent open.
It is one of the things that I like about camper trailers, the inabilty to cook inside, I can't think of anything much worse.

I am surprised that if you are so worried about it, that you are seeking unqualified advice & not contacting one of the gas providers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Scoof (SA) - Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 13:32

Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 13:32
Hi Shaker,

Our camper trailer has a stove inside, believe me it's a great idea .When it's blowing a gail ,sand flies are eating you or it's raining and you haven't put up the annex it's great to sit inside and heat up some food.
Didn't know when we got the trailer if we would ever use the cooker but it's been magic.
Never had a problem with air quality we also have a gas frig inside.Frig has it's own exhaust though.

Cheers Scoof
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Reply By: Patrolman Pat - Saturday, Jul 21, 2007 at 23:41

Saturday, Jul 21, 2007 at 23:41
You can buy CO detectors and monitors if you are really concerned. Adequate levels of ventilation, such as you would use to minimise cooking odours and steam removal when cooking should be all you need for short term cooking use. A bigger danger is people who use the cooker as a heat source in winter and close off all draughts, you can't be too careful as CO poisoning is insidious and creeps up on you unawarwes.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Saturday, Jul 21, 2007 at 23:41

Saturday, Jul 21, 2007 at 23:41
Does Gas produce Carbon Monoxide , I don't think so, or I would have been dead long ago
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Saturday, Jul 21, 2007 at 23:45

Saturday, Jul 21, 2007 at 23:45
The combustion of fuels such as petrol, gas, coal and wood generate emissions of carbon monoxide. We burn coal to generate energy and electricity for our homes. Gas and wood can be used for cooking and heating in appliances like stoves and barbecues.

Motor vehicles are the main source of carbon monoxide pollution in urban areas. The motor vehicles we drive operate on petrol, diesel, or gas. Car exhaust emissions contain carbon monoxide from incomplete burning of fuel in the engine.

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Reply By: Kevern - Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 02:04

Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 02:04
All fire/flame depletes oxygen, lack of oxygen = death.
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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 04:35

Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 04:35
Its a little like this, you should cook with at least a vent/window/door open..

Danger eliminated by 98%

And always turn the gas off ,,, at the bottle..when not in use !

Cheers
Bucky
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Follow Up By: Col_and_Jan - Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 07:50

Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 07:50
When carbon compounds are burned, for example propane C3H6 with insufficient oxygen available, products include C (carbon as black smoke), CO (carbon monoxide, CO2 (carbon dioxide) and H2O (water, in the form of stream vapour).

If you can blast oxygen into the reaction (like in a blast furnace), only CO2 and H2O are produced. We exhale CO2 and H2O as a result of respiration (breathing).

The amount of carbon monoxide produced depends on the efficiency of the burner and the amount of oxygen available from the surrounding air. Ventilation is required not only to help remove the products of the reaction (burning), but to replenish the oxygen which has been used in the reaction.

Catalytic burners are advertised as producing less of the poisonous carbon monoxide. The platinum does get used up in the reaction, but provides an easier pathway for the oxygen to bond with the CO to produce CO2 and NO to go to NO2. Again, in order to do this, sufficient oxygen must be available from the surrounding air, hence the need for adequate ventilation.

I have one of these heaters, and use it with adequate ventilation inside enclosed areas, for which they were originally designed. Just need to use some CDF (common sense) as they would say in the Pussers (Navy)
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Reply By: Col_and_Jan - Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 07:53

Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 07:53
Re the above, it should say the platinum DOESNT get used up in the reaction. As the kids say now, MY BAD!
Col
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 08:09

Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 08:09
As Col says it's the type of combustion that exacerbates the CO level. Incomplete combustion can occur when the oxygen level is reduced by leaving a gas burner running to keep warm in an enclosed space. People have even died in tents from combination of high levels of CO2 and CO. They creep up on you by putting you into a deep sleep and lowering your breathing rate etc etc.

It may help for you to know some of the symptoms of CO poisoning;
Your lips and finger nails go very pink and you will feel very drowsy and unresponsive.

If you have a lack of oxygen your lips and finger nails turn dark blue.
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Reply By: Gob & Denny - Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 08:15

Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 08:15
goodday
unless they have drastically changed the hawk we used to just roll down the window near the stove but that was more to let steam from cooking and cooking smells to get away never had a problem with c/m i believe and our grand kids spent a fair bit of time in there

steve
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Reply By: DIO - Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 08:41

Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 08:41
All you need to know Link
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Reply By: kennym - Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 09:37

Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 09:37
Thanks for the comments. The camper is only 3 years old and has had limited use, so the gas stove is in good condition. I would have thought that opening the window above the stove and the roof vent while cooking should provide plenty of ventilation and will be needed to remove odours in any case. However, I want to be 100% sure (not 98%) and this forum is one way I am trying to get info to ensure no problems.

It seems the the other two main things that will help reduce the risk are cooking outside when possible / convenient and getting a CO alarm.

Thanks
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Follow Up By: Member - Linda M (VIC) - Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 19:50

Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 19:50
Hi Kennym
I'd suggest you get an alarm if you want to be sure. I've got one in my camper. Its a bit like the smoke alarm where you just have to remember to change the battery.

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Reply By: V8Diesel - Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 11:07

Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 at 11:07
open the door.

The healthier they look, the closer to death with carbon monoxide. A rosy palour is not good sometimes.
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Reply By: Ingtar - Monday, Jul 23, 2007 at 13:28

Monday, Jul 23, 2007 at 13:28
I'm sure you'll be fine. Just make sure the kids carry their canary with them.
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